Harley Bassman — In FED We Trust
Recorded hours after the Warsh Fed's hawkish 25bp hike, the Convexity Maven argues the problem isn't CPI but trust: breakevens sit at 2.34% while nominal yields are up 150bp, so the move is a fiscal credibility premium on a 6% deficit at full employment. He says the Fed should have gone 50 and quit forward guidance cold turkey. Hyperscaler bonds are "money good" even if the stocks fall, mortgage bonds are getting more negatively convex as the curve flattens, and three ETF structures need care. Bitcoin, he says, goes to zero.
One-line take: "I don't care about the numbers. I care about trust." Bassman couldn't make an economic case for hiking at all, but says the Fed had to go 50 and stop: a 25bp hike with another promised by December "tortures" markets for 12 more weeks while Warsh weans them off forward guidance. The evidence that this is trust, not inflation: 10-year breakevens of 2.34% (the four-year average is 2.35%) against a 150bp rise in nominal yields. The fix is a credible fiscal path: uncap Social Security, raise the retirement age, means-test SS/Medicare, end step-up basis, revive Simpson-Bowles. The ~750 (units unclear) of price-insensitive hyperscaler borrowing competes with the Treasury, but their bonds are safe. Attribution: only 00:00–46:50 is Bassman. The Market Desk segment after 46:50 (Patrick Ceresna's TLT strangle; oil, dollar, gold, copper and nat-gas COT notes) is the hosts' view, marked below where referenced.
1. Stocks & names mentioned
| Ticker | Name | Research | View | What he said | At |
| META | Meta Platforms | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | Neutral on the equity, positive on the credit: one of the hyperscalers whose bonds he calls "money good" even with another 50–200bp of spread, because "they have plenty of cash flow… to make the coupon payments." But "it doesn't mean their stock's not going to go down" — AI capex may cut profits. | 16:17 |
| GOOGL | Alphabet (Google) | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | Neutral on the equity, positive on the credit: named among the hyperscalers with "underlying cash machines" that can service AI debt — "I think the bonds are solid," no bankruptcy short of a Standard Oil-style breakup. No view on the stock ("the equity I can't comment on"). | 16:17 |
| AMZN | Amazon | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | Neutral on the equity, positive on the credit: a hyperscaler whose AI borrowing is price-insensitive ("6, 8, 10, 12 — it doesn't matter") yet whose bonds are "probably money good." Only one or two of the five will win the build-out race, which is an equity risk, not a bond risk. | 16:17 |
| MSFT | Microsoft | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | Neutral on the equity, positive on the credit: in his hyperscaler list whose cash flow covers the coupons — "I just don't see a bankruptcy with the hyperscalers." The Global Crossing analogy (overbuilt capacity priced at a tenth of plan) is his risk case for the equity. | 16:17 |
| ORCL | Oracle | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | Neutral on the equity, positive on the credit: explicitly included with Meta, Google, Amazon and Microsoft as having "plenty of cash flow" to pay AI debt back over time — "the bonds are solid," even as the stock may fall. | 16:17 |
| Anthropic | Anthropic (private) | — | Neutral | "Can Anthropic go bust? Sure. But that's an equity problem, not a bond problem" — Anthropic isn't the borrower; the hyperscalers borrow to run its products. Cheap Chinese open-source models would cut the hyperscalers' costs, not their ability to pay. | 16:17 |
| V | Visa | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | Passing mention — used only as the throughput comparison against Bitcoin: Bitcoin does ~750,000 trades a day, "Visa does that much every minute." No view on the stock. | 45:04 |
| PYPL | PayPal (Venmo) | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | Passing mention — Venmo cited as proof a dollar stablecoin is nothing new: "we already have a stablecoin, kind of sort of. It's called Venmo." No view on PayPal. | 45:46 |
| TLT | iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | Host segment (Patrick Ceresna), not Bassman — referenced only. The Market Desk "trade of the week" built on Bassman's themes: a Jan-15-2027 long strangle (buy the $85 call ~0.82 and the $77 put ~0.97, ~$1.79 total) to own bond volatility with no view on direction. Bassman himself named no ETF. | 47:27 |
| BTC | Bitcoin | SA | Negative | "I do think that Bitcoin at some point is going to zero. It's an active war against a sovereign state." He also dismisses it as a payment tool: ~750,000 trades a day, which Visa does every minute, makes it "kind of worthless" as a transactional tool. | 44:43 |
Not tabled: agency MBS (Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac / Ginnie Mae 30-year pools). This is Bassman's core argued view, but he names no ETF or ticker, so it sits in the talking points (23:00–29:35). Also not tabled: USD stablecoins in general (he favours them, no issuer named); leveraged daily-reset ETFs and high-yield return-of-capital ETFs (warnings, no tickers); Pets.com and Global Crossing (defunct dot-com examples); the S&P 500 / Russell and the hosts' oil, DXY, gold, copper and nat-gas COT commentary (Market Desk, not Bassman).
2. Talking points
01:39 Should have been 50, one and done
- His last two commentaries argued for a 50bp hike. 25, 50 or even 100 won't change the economy or inflation; what matters is regaining the market's trust that "there's an adult in the room."
- "It should have been zero or 50." A 25bp hike with another promised means 12 more weeks of torture (no move in October, before the election).
02:26 Warsh is weaning markets off forward guidance
- Warsh is trying to move away from forward guidance and dot plots, back to markets assessing their own risk. Coming off guidance is "like coming off smoking… heroin"; volatility rises on the way, and cold turkey would have been better.
04:42 The Supreme Court carved out the Fed
- The Court ruled the president can hire and fire across the executive branch, but carved out the Fed as "too special": the governor on the world reserve currency. That raises the stakes on the Fed's credibility while trust elsewhere in government is low.
06:01 Fed–Treasury: symbiosis is good enough
- He doesn't want a public 1951-style accord. If Bessent and the Fed work symbiotically and show "a path to a good result," investors and foreign governments will see the adults managing the reserve currency.
- Warsh swallowed hard and did 25 to get a 12-0 vote. "Having unanimity was a good result."
08:21 Why trust is damaged: profits, sentiment, housing
- He can't make an economic case to hike, and could argue for holding flat. Corporate profits as a share of GDP doubled from 6% to 12%; the S&P and Michigan sentiment have opened an "alligator jaw," a measure of distrust.
- Housing affordability is the worst in 30 years; the homeownership rate should be 61–64%; the median first-time buyer's age jumped from 32–33 to 38 in five or six years.
10:24 Non-bank lending blunts the Fed
- Private credit "probably" becomes a problem someday. The bigger point today is that non-banks disintermediate the banks that borrow from and price off the Fed, so the policy rate transmits less and trust matters more.
11:21 Hyperscalers: price-insensitive borrowers
- Slide 9 projects hyperscaler borrowing of "750 million" against Treasury's "2 billion" (as captioned; units are probably billions/trillions), about 30–35% competition for money. They'll borrow at 6, 8, 10 or 12% in an "existential race." The Fed can't stop it, and it helps push rates up.
- It echoes the dot-com era: ten companies in one niche, one wins, and you can't know which (Pets.com didn't).
13:24 The AI slow-down feud is political spectacle
- On Amodei's call to slow AI versus Trump and Sacks's "full steam ahead": "I think the latter" (it will pass). He expects the AI labs to adopt internal controls regardless of the politics, and to find a middle ground.
14:52 Hyperscaler bonds are money good; the equity is another matter
- They have "underlying cash machines," so higher rates are possible but not bankruptcy. The debt is fine even with another 50–200bp of spread. Profits may fall from the spending: "the equity I can't comment on."
- Anthropic can go bust, but that's an equity problem; the hyperscalers are the borrowers. The Global Crossing redux: one or two of the five win, because markets tend toward monopoly.
18:22 Slide 12: breakevens say it isn't inflation
- Nominal rates are up 150bp while the 10-year TIPS breakeven closed at 2.34% versus a 2.35% four-year average. "No one cares about inflation… we're looking in the wrong place."
- A 6% deficit with no war, no recession and 4.1–4.2% unemployment is "gross irresponsibility." Rates are pricing the US as a going concern: what yield it takes to hold dollars as a core asset, not bankruptcy risk.
20:41 Is CPI rigged?
- He concedes CPI has been "cooked a little" since the Clinton-era hedonics changes, made to trim Social Security outlays. But the Fed itself steers by CPI, and "I propose the idea of trust. Doesn't mean I'm right."
23:00 A mortgage bond is a covered call
- Model it as buying a cash 10-year at par and selling a 3-year call struck at 105: downside open, upside capped. There's no credit risk in Fannie, Freddie or Ginnie: "gold, guns, and cans of tuna" if they fail.
- Three years ago 71% of the market had coupons of 3.5% or lower, with an average price of $78.94. That was far from the strike, so there was little convexity and spreads were tight.
24:57 Recouponing the stack
- Low coupons prepay (paydown, refinancing, divorce, death, moving) and new production carries higher coupons: over $1T of Fannie 5.5s now. Low coupons are down to 51–52% of the index and 37% has a 5% coupon or higher, all very negatively convex. "An option is most convex when it's at strike."
26:09 Convexity = unbalanced return
- A coin flip paying ±$1 has zero convexity. Make 2 or lose 1 is positive; lose 3 or make 2 is negative. The market prices this: a negatively convex bond needs extra yield over the 5% Treasury, and that extra spread is the mortgage spread.
27:37 MBS spreads widening as the curve flattens
- The par mortgage spread over the cash 10-year has widened from about 95 to 110bp. Two reasons: higher volatility (you're short the option), and more importantly the yield curve. When it flattens or inverts, the option gains value and MBS widen. If it keeps inverting, "it's going to get worse."
- Mortgages are roughly a quarter of issuance, so this will matter for all fixed income, though less than 20 years ago when Fannie and Freddie were "government sponsored hedge funds."
29:09 Index MBS ETFs: fall fast, then track Treasuries
- "Be careful." Big index ETFs "are going to go down quickly, but soon enough they're just going to follow Treasuries": as prices fall, the call moves away from the strike and convexity fades. Prices end much lower, but the fall slows.
31:38 Can AI take all the alpha?
- Models can't predict the future; they optimise portfolios and react to news. Humans will "do just fine" until the future is knowable. If all management went to AI, "there'd be no money to be made at all."
- He agrees with Michael Green's passive-investing critique ("I think Mike's right") and notes Green has a new product in registration.
35:56 "It's always about character… it's never different this time"
- Saddle and buggy-whip makers survived the car. China's WTO entry was a disruption the government didn't help with retraining. He expects AI to become a tool for civilization.
36:53 MMT victory lap
- MMT assumed politicians would raise taxes or cut spending once inflation appeared. "Good luck in prison with that": it ran against the human drive to get re-elected.
38:00 Page 15: his fiscal predictions
- The deficit needn't be solved tomorrow; there needs to be a committed path. His predictions: uncap Social Security (capped at $184k), raise the retirement age slowly (65 in 1936 would equal 84 today), and means-test Social Security and Medicare ("always been a straight up tax").
- Also end step-up basis (defer gains, but tax them), revive some version of Simpson-Bowles, and start passing the "70-30 issues" to rebuild confidence.
39:51 ETFs, part 1: linear vs daily-reset leverage
- There are now more ETFs than stocks. Leverage through futures is linear and fine to buy and hold. Daily-percentage-reset ETFs are fine for a day or a week and "really problematic" after that: +20% then −20% leaves $96, and volatility drag "will eventually burn that ETF to zero."
40:55 ETFs, part 2: return of capital
- A high yield is "eye candy." Check whether the underlying assets earn the distribution. If they over-distribute, the price bleeds month after month as a "self liquidating trade." Many ETFs paying 10%+ likely return capital when junk yields 6–8%.
42:19 ETFs, part 3: the liquidity mismatch
- An ETF is a hybrid, neither open-end nor closed-end. Redeemers get NAV even when the manager sells illiquid underlyings (derivatives, total return swaps) below NAV, which harms the remaining holders.
- Volatility is low (VIX ~17, realized 10–11; MOVE realized ~68). A real vol spike with heavy flows "could be a real problem." Details are in his commentary Looking Under the Hood of ETFs.
44:43 Bitcoin to zero; USD stablecoins a "grand idea"
- Bitcoin is "an active war against a sovereign state" and useless for transactions.
- USD stablecoins create Treasury demand, useful with Japan selling. There's no escape route to a rival stablecoin because no other currency (ruble etc.) is liquid enough. Venmo is already a de facto stablecoin: "I'm not worried at all."
46:04 convexitymaven.com; the cleanest dirty shirt
- About 20 years of free commentaries, plus a podcast, at convexitymaven.com; email him to be added to the list. "The US is still the best place out there": Bill Gross's "cleanest dirty shirt."
47:02 Market Desk (hosts, not Bassman)
- Patrick Ceresna's trade of the week: a TLT Jan-2027 85/77 long strangle (~$1.79) to own bond volatility on Bassman's themes; breakeven needs a ~7% move by expiry.
- Host commentary, not Bassman's: the hike was priced in; the 10-year tests 5%; large specs are long the 2s/5s and short the long end (COTSignal.com). The S&P is near negative gamma with CTA triggers below ~7,500. Brent/WTI are above $100 (Hormuz); the DXY reclaimed 100; gold is testing $4,400; copper spec longs are at a 100 score; nat-gas specs are at a record net short (~220k contracts).
3. In plain English
META — Meta Platforms Neutral
Bassman separates the company's bonds (money Meta borrowed) from its stock (ownership). Meta is borrowing heavily to build AI data centres. He thinks lenders are safe because Meta's core advertising business throws off far more cash than it needs to pay the interest, so the bonds should be repaid even if borrowing costs rise another 0.5–2 percentage points. Whether the stock does well is a different question: all that spending could squeeze profits, and he won't call it.
GOOGL — Alphabet (Google) Neutral
Same split as the other hyperscalers. Google's search and cloud businesses are "cash machines" that can easily cover the interest on the AI debt, so he sees no bankruptcy risk unless the government breaks the company up the way it broke up Standard Oil. For shareholders, though, the AI arms race may end with only one or two winners, so the bond is safe and the stock is unrated.
AMZN — Amazon Neutral
Amazon is one of the "price-insensitive" borrowers: it will keep borrowing to build AI capacity whether rates are 6% or 12%, because it sees the race as existential. Bassman thinks that pushes up interest rates for everyone, the US Treasury included. He still thinks Amazon's lenders get paid back from its profitable core businesses. The stock carries the risk that the spending doesn't pay off.
MSFT — Microsoft Neutral
Microsoft's bonds are "solid" in his view, because its cash flow easily covers the coupon payments. His warning for the equity is the Global Crossing story from 25 years ago: companies laid huge amounts of fibre-optic cable expecting one price, and capacity ended up selling for a tenth of that. Overbuilding hurts owners, not necessarily lenders to cash-rich firms.
ORCL — Oracle Neutral
Oracle is on his list of hyperscalers whose debt he considers "money good." It has enough cash coming in to service and eventually repay what it borrows for AI. He explicitly says that doesn't mean the stock is safe; the view is about the credit only.
Anthropic — Anthropic Neutral
The host worried that free Chinese AI models could make Anthropic's paid models obsolete and sink the AI debt pile. Bassman's answer is that Anthropic isn't the one borrowing. The big cloud companies borrow to build the computers that run Anthropic's models. So Anthropic can fail, and he says it could, but that would wipe out its shareholders, not the bondholders of Meta, Google and the rest. If AI models get cheap, the hyperscalers' costs fall and they can pay their debts more easily.
BTC — Bitcoin Negative
Bassman thinks Bitcoin "at some point is going to zero." His reasoning is political: a private currency is "an active war against a sovereign state," and governments don't lose that fight. He also rejects it as a way to pay for things: the Bitcoin network handles about 750,000 transactions a day, which Visa processes in about a minute. He contrasts it with US-dollar stablecoins, tokens backed by Treasury bills, which he likes because they create more demand for US government debt.
For personal study — not investment advice. Source material © MacroVoices. Views in sections 1–3 are Harley Bassman's own (00:00–46:50) except where marked "Host segment"; the Market Desk segment reflects the hosts' views.