"The U.S. Just Had Its Suez Moment" — Gold, Oil, Uranium & the Coming Reset
A wide-ranging Royalty King interview: the US "strategically defeated" in Hormuz and a tri-polar world; how old-money families compound through decades; the Walter-Schloss capital-return case study (Amerigo); buying quality exchanges on the Kalshi-legislation drop; a monetary reset and central-bank gold remonetization; oil "blatant manipulation" and the crack spread; the uranium supply gap; and land companies sitting on undervalued water rights.
In one line: the West is in its "endgame of post-WWII liberal disorder" — the US had a "Suez moment" in Hormuz (drones/missiles obsoleted carriers), the world is splitting into three zones (Americas / China-Asia / Eurasia) with under-covered opportunity in Central Asia/Uzbekistan; the disciplined play is "wait for your spot" and buy quality on an exogenous drop that doesn't touch the moat — Amerigo (ARG) bought near COVID lows now cascading debt-paydown→dividend→special→buyback (Walter Schloss model), and quality exchanges re-priced by the Kalshi perpetual-futures legislation (his jul-09 CBOE buy). Central banks are remonetizing gold (Tavi Costa's treasuries-vs-gold chart) — near-term cautious as real rates/the dollar rise (could see $3,000) but secular higher into a monetary reset / "big print." Oil is "blatant manipulation" (SPR drain, Bessent short, China import halt) with a $75 crack spread and 100-tankers-one-returned — structurally bullish; nat gas only via royalties/pipelines (ONEOK); uranium term price at an all-time-high with no new mines — bullish via quality, not "shitco juniors" (Lotus / Peninsula / Boss the cautionary names). Copper bullish but AI-demand-linked; Mag 7 (GOOG/META) negative-FCF, a possible 70–80% NASDAQ unwind (1999 analogy). The hidden-asset theme: land + water rights (Limoneira / Alico / LandBridge / TPL).
1. Stocks & names mentioned
| Ticker | Name | Research | View | What he said | At |
| ARG | Amerigo Resources (TSX) | SA · STK · FA | Positive | His prime "wait for your spot" case study — a Chilean company (Rick Rule a shareholder) that doesn't mine but reprocesses 80 years of tailings from Codelco's El Teniente for copper + molybdenum. As copper rose it "just creates cash," which it returns via the Walter Schloss sequence — pay off debt, then dividend, then special dividend, then buybacks. He bought "a bunch of sluggish shares during the COVID situation… under maybe 50 cents," now paying multiples of that in dividends. Held ("I'll give one of the portfolios"). | 26:48 |
| OKE | ONEOK | QT · SA · STK · FA | Positive | His template for how he plays natural gas — "royalties and pipeline companies when they get cheap." ONEOK "got shelled about a year and a half ago" after a debt-heavy acquisition cut the stock in half; "just buy stuff like that when it gets cheap and they just keep raising the dividend." | 45:02 |
| ALCO | Alico | QT · SA · STK · FA | Positive | "Did a little venture into Alico" (a Florida agriculture/land company he knows from growing up in Florida) — it's pivoting former grove land toward development and "popped about 60% in the last year." A hidden-asset land play; a small holding. | 53:10 |
| LMNR | Limoneira | QT · SA · STK · FA | Positive | The Ventura County avocado grower the host described — "I own these companies… that's in Ventura County." Ostensibly an avocado grower, the real value is developing the land for residential use plus undervalued water rights; "great management," now run by an activist investor. Owned. | 52:08 |
| LB | LandBridge | QT · SA · STK · FA | Positive | Cited (with TPL) as the model of a land owner that "knows how to exploit the optionality" of a huge land position — the template the smaller, just-waking-up land companies could follow. | 53:36 |
| TPL | Texas Pacific Land | QT · SA · STK · FA | Positive | The other land-optionality exemplar (with LandBridge) — land acquired cheaply generations ago (railroad rights-of-way) that owners "don't have to sell… you just sit there," monetizing hidden assets over time. | 53:36 |
| NEXT | NextDecade (Rio Grande LNG) | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | "Kind of interested" — they're getting ready to turn on the Rio Grande LNG facility; he couldn't recall the symbol ("NextDecade or NextEra"). A watch idea, not a call. | 45:17 |
| RIO | Rio Tinto | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | Passing reference in the uranium supply-gap argument: "I thought by this time Rio or BHP or somebody would say… we're going to create a nuclear division" — but no major is putting the billions in, which he reads as bullish for the uranium price. | 46:49 |
| KO | Coca-Cola | QT · SA · STK · FA | Neutral | Passing example, not a call: Buffett & Munger's Coca-Cola dividends "far exceeded their initial investment after 10 or 15 years" — his illustration of letting time and compounding work rather than chasing a quick double. | 30:05 |
| Kalshi | Kalshi (private) | — | Neutral | Context only: the "recent legislation that opened up these perpetual futures for Kalshi" is what knocked the listed exchanges "down massively" — the exogenous drop that let him buy a quality exchange (his jul-09 CBOE buy). Nothing about the exchanges' business or moat changed. | 28:55 |
| GOOG | Alphabet | QT · SA · STK · FA | Negative | "Google's business without an AI division will be obsolete in 6, 18 months" — so it's "hamstrung," forced to spend the capex. That will show up as negative cash flow; "they can only use creative accounting for so long" before a multiple rerating. Part of a Mag 7 that could see a "70, 80% correction." | 50:04 |
| META | Meta Platforms | QT · SA · STK · FA | Negative | Named as the tell that the AI-capex cycle is in its "seventh or eighth inning" — "Meta and all these companies are devoting all of their free cash flow to it and now taking out loans and issuing equity… near the end of the money stream." A 1999/2000-style unwind risk. | 48:12 |
| BOE.AX | Boss Energy (ASX) | STK | Negative | Cautionary example of how hard uranium-junior mining is: last year Boss "had a very disappointing result and they just went down the elevator 40% in a day." Why he prefers expressing uranium through quality, not single-name juniors. | 47:42 |
| LOT.AX | Lotus Resources (ASX) | STK | Negative | Named among the "shitco junior" uranium names that burned holders — "just ask the shareholders of Lotus and many others." Used to make the point: own the uranium theme through quality, not speculative juniors. | 47:09 |
| PEN.AX | Peninsula Energy (ASX) | STK | Negative | Cited with Lotus as a uranium junior that disappointed shareholders — a cautionary name behind his "express the theme through quality" rule. | 47:09 |
Stances are this conversation's framing. Two companies he described but never named — a thinly-traded Arizona land company north of Phoenix (~400,000 acres, water rights, an idle coal-plant substation now hosting solar/wind; "I put it on my Discord, the one I was buying"), and a Copenhagen-listed Danish family palm-oil company ("begins with a D") — are covered in the talking points; no ticker is invented for either.
2. Talking points
00:00 · The "Suez moment" — a US strategic defeat in Hormuz
- He'd long argued "the West is in decline" and to expect volatility "all across the board" — so Maduro's removal and the Hormuz crisis fit the pattern even if the specifics were unpredictable.
- "This is a Suez moment for the United States" — the Navy "cannot keep the sea lanes open"; if Hormuz could be controlled by the US "it would be" — it can't, and that opens "all kinds of other things."
02:48 · Drones & missiles obsoleted the carrier
- As carrier air power once obsoleted the battleship, "drone and missile technology have obsoleted our power projection devices" — the multi-billion-dollar aircraft carriers.
- The same asymmetric-tech equalizer keeps Ukraine grinding on and blunts US "muscles" against Iran despite overall superiority.
06:16 · A tri-polar world — Americas / China-Asia / Eurasia
- Three zones of influence: the US dominates the Western Hemisphere ("next on the agenda is Cuba"; South America swinging center-right), China dominates Asia, and Europe bifurcates — Western Europe strained, Eastern Europe pulling toward Russia/Eurasia.
- Putin's Vladivostok speech (the capital "in 50 years") signals Russia's pivot east; "people have no conception of the investment opportunities… in Central Asia."
09:06 · Central Asia & Uzbekistan; Africa "exploited, never emerges"
- "I've been talking for years about Uzbekistan… the bloom is coming on" — a silent opportunity most investors miss (his existing UZNF holding).
- Africa will stay "an afterthought… exploited by the Chinese and everybody else for resources" — he points viewers to the documentary Empire of Dust to understand why.
11:17 · The International Man — bank / live / invest across three countries
- Doug Casey's rule (from The International Man): bank in one country, live in another, invest in a third — far easier in the internet era; don't be a "homer" with all your eggs in one jurisdiction.
- As Western governments get "more desperate for revenue" (more taxes, inflation, regulation), jurisdictional arbitrage — like the Wandering Investor's globe-hopping — is the defense.
16:39 · What old-money families do differently
- Lasting wealth thinks in decades, not months; it "inculcates" the whole family, hires the best attorneys/accountants, and stays low-profile ("come in on an ordinary mule").
- The Mulliez family of Northern France (~$70B retail conglomerate) as the model: shareholders are all relations, "everything for all, all for everything," planting trees you'll never sit under.
18:59 · Timber & stumpage — the compounding you don't harvest
- They buy timber not to cut it in a year — "stumpage increases by 6 to 8% a year," perpetual, compounding income "through the ups and downs." Not a 10-bagger, but durable.
- Inflation and central-bank "debauchery" are the real threat to wealth, so you buy hard assets that protect against it.
22:22 · Passive → active; the Vanguard/Bogle concentration problem
- The US is ~22–25% of world GDP but ~65% of world market cap at a <2% earnings yield — "you should be selling that down." Bogle's low-cost index was a good idea that's now "polluted" (Target-date funds all Google/Meta/Nvidia).
- After 20 years into passive, "that's going to shift to active — you're going to have to be more active or you're simply going to underperform."
26:48 · Amerigo — the Walter Schloss capital-return case study
- Amerigo Resources reprocesses 80 years of Codelco (El Teniente) tailings for copper + molybdenum — no mine, just cash generation as copper rose off ~$3.
- The cash cascades through the Walter Schloss sequence: pay off debt → dividend → special dividend → buybacks. He bought "during the COVID situation… under maybe 50 cents"; it now pays multiples of that in dividends. Held in one of his portfolios.
28:28 · "Wait for your spot" — quality exchanges on the Kalshi drop
- "You stand in the batter's box and have an unlimited amount of pitches. No balls or strikes." He'd admired exchanges for years but they were pricey — until the perpetual-futures / Kalshi legislation dropped them "massively."
- "Did anything really affect their moat? No… this is your chance to buy a quality asset." (The jul-09 CBOE buy.) Exchanges are still "reasonably good value… high to mid single-digit free cash flow yields" — see his free Substack white paper.
33:26 · Gold & silver — the dealer-queue contrarian signal
- "It was so obvious it was overpriced when people are lining up to sell." He dumped a bunch of physical silver "two days before Rick Rule came out and said he was selling" — the queues got so long refiners were "overwhelmed" and dealers stopped buying.
- Longer term these go higher, but he's respecting the near-term froth.
34:44 · Monetary reset & gold remonetization
- Zero constituency in the West for cutting spending → "all roads lead to inflation." Tavi Costa's chart of central-bank treasury holdings vs gold holdings marked the turn ~5 years ago; sanctions on Russia accelerated it ("why would they hold treasuries?").
- He sees "the beginnings of a remonetization of gold" — not back to 70%, but gold as a basis; eventually the balance sheet goes to "20, 30, 40, 50 trillion" and the "big print" (Lawrence Lepard) arrives.
38:09 · Real rates & the near-term gold framework
- The dollar "looks like it's broken out," US rates rising — "real rates ultimately a lot of times drive the gold price," and it's the direction that matters, not the sign.
- Gold two-to-three standard deviations above its 200-day and "going vertical" invites a pullback; "could go to 3,000 for all I know" before it bottoms and turns higher. Russell Napier's financial-repression endgame (forced 401k Treasury buying) looms.
41:40 · Oil — "blatant manipulation," but a shortage is building
- The band-aids: SPR drain, Bessent's record short, and China halting imports. But the crack spread is "$75" — "a $75 profit on every barrel refined" because Chinese refiners are dark; that's the market screaming for crude.
- "100 tankers left, only one tanker came back" — producers can't clear storage, so they've throttled output; "at some point this will matter" and prices go higher. He owns the offshore service layer, not the crude.
45:02 · Natural gas only via royalties & pipelines
- The commodity itself is "the widowmaker" — he plays gas through "royalties and pipeline companies when they get cheap." ONEOK "got shelled" after a debt-heavy acquisition cut it in half — "just buy stuff like that… they just keep raising the dividend."
- "Kind of interested" in NextDecade's Rio Grande LNG as it starts up (couldn't recall the symbol). FPSO suppliers interest him too, but he won't try to predict the gas price.
45:37 · Uranium — ATH term price, no new mines, express via quality
- Uranium's term price just made an all-time high (~$95.50); it's a "growth industry now, 3 to 5% a year" with reactors going critical (an Idaho unit on July 4th) — yet "where are the new mines? Nobody's investing."
- Enrichment/conversion debottlenecking "just calls for more regular yellowcake." The problem is expressing it "instead of some shitco junior" — Lotus, Peninsula and Boss (down 40% in a day) are the cautionary names.
47:42 · Copper bullish, but the AI-demand & Mag 7 unwind risk
- "Very bullish on copper" — but worried how much of the recent demand is "wedded to the buildout of this AI infrastructure," which he thinks is in its "seventh or eighth inning."
- Mag 7 are "no longer high-margin, asset-light" — negative FCF masked by "creative accounting" until a multiple rerating; a possible "70, 80% correction," a 1999/2000 replay. Position to benefit across "as many potential futures as possible."
51:41 · Land with hidden assets — water rights, the intelligent wrapper
- Get mineral/land exposure through "an intelligent wrapper" — land companies (Limoneira in Ventura County; Alico in Florida, +60%) that "purport to be avocado growers" but whose real value is development + undervalued water rights; activists are waking them up.
- The exemplars that already "exploit the optionality" are LandBridge and TPL. He also owns an unnamed, thinly-traded Arizona land company north of Phoenix — ~400,000 acres, water rights, and an idle coal-plant substation now routing solar/wind ("I put it on my Discord… what's the catalyst? I have no idea… Phoenix isn't going to stop expanding"). And he's eyeing an unnamed Copenhagen-listed Danish family palm-oil company ("begins with a D") that "kicks out a nice dividend."
56:51 · The options-income flywheel & the AIA product
- Beyond the picks, his "call-writing, cash-covered put-writing strategy keeps snowballing" — once you assemble Munger's "first $200 grand," it becomes "a flywheel and a snowball."
- Actionable Intelligence Alert (Substack): a monthly newsletter with two model portfolios — a "dripping-roast income" dividend one and a "full capital appreciation" multibagger one.
3. In plain English
ARG — Amerigo Resources Positive
Amerigo doesn't dig a mine. It takes the giant waste piles ("tailings") left over from 80 years of Codelco's El Teniente copper mine in Chile and reprocesses them to pull out the copper and molybdenum still in there. Because there's no mine to build, when the copper price rose the business simply threw off cash. What management does with that cash is the whole point — it follows a disciplined sequence made famous by value investor Walter Schloss: first pay off all debt, then start a dividend, then add special one-off dividends, then buy back shares. Every step hands more value to the owners.
Polomny bought it near the COVID lows for "under maybe 50 cents," and says it now pays out multiples of that price in dividends each year — the payoff for "waiting for your spot" and holding a boring cash machine for years. Rick Rule is also a shareholder, and Polomny holds it in one of his model portfolios.
OKE — ONEOK Positive
ONEOK is a natural-gas pipeline and processing company — a toll-collector on gas moving through its network. Polomny won't try to trade the gas price itself (he calls gas "the widowmaker"); instead he buys the pipelines and royalty companies "when they get cheap." ONEOK got cheap about a year and a half ago: it made a big debt-funded acquisition and the stock got cut in half. His rule is to buy exactly that kind of temporarily-punished, steady dividend-raiser and collect the growing income while it recovers.
ALCO — Alico Positive
Alico is a Florida land and agriculture company Polomny knows from growing up there. The interesting part isn't the farming — it's that the company is turning old grove land toward real-estate development, and the stock "popped about 60%" in the last year as the market started to value that land. He took "a little venture" (a small position) — an example of his hidden-asset land theme: buy companies whose real worth is the dirt and water rights they sit on, not their stated business.
LMNR — Limoneira Positive
Limoneira looks like an avocado grower in Ventura County, California — but the real value is its land (which it can sell for housing) and its water rights, which Polomny argues aren't "valued properly at all." An activist investor is now running it to unlock that value, and he says "I own these companies." Same idea as Alico: you're buying undervalued land and water dressed up as a farm, with someone in charge motivated to cash it in.
LB — LandBridge Positive
LandBridge owns large tracts of land and earns money from whatever happens on it — pipelines, water handling, power and data-center hosting. Polomny holds it up (with Texas Pacific Land) as the company that already "knows how to exploit the optionality" of a big land position: it doesn't have to sell anything, it just collects on the many uses of land it bought cheaply. It's the template the smaller, just-waking-up land companies could grow into.
TPL — Texas Pacific Land Positive
Texas Pacific Land owns enormous West-Texas acreage it acquired for almost nothing generations ago (old railroad rights-of-way) and now earns royalties, water and surface-use fees on it. Polomny's point: an owner like this "doesn't have to sell the land… you just sit there" while its value compounds — the purest version of the hidden-asset, land-optionality play he likes.
NEXT — NextDecade (Rio Grande LNG) Neutral
NextDecade owns the Rio Grande LNG export terminal, which is getting ready to start shipping liquefied natural gas overseas. Polomny is "kind of interested" as it comes online but hadn't done the work yet (he couldn't even recall the ticker). File it as a watch idea in his energy-infrastructure basket, not a recommendation.
GOOG — Alphabet Negative
Polomny thinks Google is trapped: it has to pour enormous sums into AI data centers or "be obsolete in 6 to 18 months," but that spending will start showing up as negative cash flow. For a while accounting choices can hide it, but eventually the market sees these are no longer the fat-margin, capital-light businesses they were — and the stock's valuation has to reset lower. He lumps it with the rest of the Mag 7 as a candidate for a big (70–80%) drawdown, like the dot-coms in 2000.
META — Meta Platforms Negative
Meta is Polomny's example that the AI-spending boom is in its late innings: the big tech companies are "devoting all of their free cash flow to it and now taking out loans and issuing equity" — a sign the easy money is running out. When that buildout blows up, he expects the same kind of valuation reset and market damage he saw in 1999–2000.
BOE.AX — Boss Energy Negative
Boss Energy is an Australian uranium producer Polomny uses as a warning, not a buy: last year one disappointing operational result sent the stock down 40% in a single day. It's his evidence for why, even though he's very bullish on uranium as a theme, he'd rather own it through quality/physical exposure than bet on individual junior miners where "mining's hard" and one bad print wipes you out.
Built from the public YouTube interview (timestamps deep-link into the video; cleaned transcript in transcript.html) — stances and quotes are Polomny's own wording. For personal study — not investment advice.