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Joseph Carlson — My Investing Plan For The Next 5 Years

"I'm going to give you my AI road map — four phases — and exactly how I'm positioning my portfolio to take advantage of it in the best risk-adjusted way."
2026-MAY-26 · Joseph Carlson After Hours · Joseph Carlson · ~32 min · ▶ Watch · transcript · actionable insights
One-line take: Carlson lays out a 4-phase AI roadmap and maps his real-money portfolio onto it. Phase 1 (scarcity — sellers win): own some of the bottleneck sellers, but only durable ones — his pick is ASML (~$140k, +$78k, an EUV monopoly), with TSM / Nvidia / Broadcom seen as becoming less cyclical. The cyclical sellers he won't buy (memory MU/SanDisk after a ~10× run, plus the data-center power/cooling/networking/construction names VRT/ANET/CRDO/CAT) will rerate lower when supply catches up. Phase 3 (buyers/hyperscalers — his biggest bets): GOOGL ($130k+$90k), AMZN ($188k), MSFT ($70k+$21k) and brand-new META ($180k, now his 3rd-largest) — "Amazon and Meta are my two top picks this year. Not Tesla, not Nvidia." Phase 4 (software bifurcation): distribution/data winners rerate up (SPGI, MCO, UBER, DASH, SHOP, ABNB, SPOT, DUOL) while commoditized e-sig/conferencing (DOCU, ZM) and CRM/ADBE/INTU/ADSK face bundling/AI risk. News: Ferrari's first EV dents the brand; fail of the week = the Colbert cancellation, blamed on Trump but really structural death-by-YouTube (an Alphabet tailwind).

1. Stocks & names mentioned

"View" is Carlson's stance in this video, mapped onto his AI roadmap — Positive = owns / would own / a "predictable winner," Neutral = constructive but not buying or a good-but-not-owned peer, Negative = a cyclical seller / AI-disruption risk he avoids. Research: QT Qualtrim · SA Seeking Alpha · STK Stock Analysis.

TickerNameResearchViewWhat he saidAt
ASMLASML HoldingQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHis chosen phase-1 holding — a $140k position, +$78k, holds every share. An EUV "outright monopoly" and a durable seller: big machines used for decades with service contracts, "a little bit more up on the hierarchy" than memory. Up 39% YTD / 113% on the year.7:46
GOOGLAlphabetQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveStraddles phase 1 (custom TPUs, why it's up now) and phase 3 (Search, YouTube, Gemini, Cloud, Ads). A core "buyer" bet — $130k in the passive-income portfolio plus another $90k in the Story Fund; he holds every share.12:32
AMZNAmazonQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveA top phase-3 "buyer" and one of "my two top picks this year." A $188k Story Fund position; monetizes AI via AWS, Trainium, retail automation, ads, logistics. "In a great position."14:11
METAMeta PlatformsQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveThe other "top pick this year" — a brand-new position he's already built to $180k, now his third-largest. A phase-3 buyer that monetizes AI through ad efficiency, recommendations, business messaging, wearables.14:32
MSFTMicrosoftQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveA phase-3 buyer with "10 minutes" worth of AI monetization paths (Azure, Copilot, GitHub, Office, Security). $70k in the passive-income portfolio plus $21k in the Story Fund.13:06
TSMTaiwan SemiconductorQT · SA · STK · FAPositive"A very durable seller," not highly cyclical — leading-edge foundry capacity, "one of the most important companies on planet earth." A valid phase-1 pick alongside ASML.8:18
SPGIS&P GlobalQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveA phase-4 "predictable winner" — distribution, longevity, customer lock-in, unique data sets that won't commoditize. Under pressure but he stays "very bullish"; owns over $100k.18:01
MCOMoody'sQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveS&P Global's twin and his other chosen data/ratings holding (~$47k); same uncommoditizable-data thesis, still expects it to be a "big winner."22:15
UBERUber TechnologiesQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveLargely AI-insulated with non-AI strengths — "I think Uber and DoorDash will be spectacular winners."18:29
DASHDoorDashQT · SA · STK · FAPositivePaired with Uber as a "spectacular winner" — mostly insulated from AI disruption.18:29
SHOPShopifyQT · SA · STK · FAPositive"I think that Shopify is a spectacular winner" — distribution/workflow moat that AI makes more useful, not less.18:35
ABNBAirbnbQT · SA · STK · FAPositive"I think that Airbnb will do really well" — a marketplace with non-AI structural strengths.18:38
SPOTSpotifyQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveMore debated — doesn't own proprietary data ("just access to music"), but learned-behavior lock-in means he expects it to be "differentiated and rerated higher."18:44
DUOLDuolingoQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveAlso debated, but people use it for the motivation — streaks, scores, social — more than the content, so he expects it to stay differentiated and rerate higher.18:44
NVDANVIDIAQT · SA · STK · FANeutralConstructive but explicitly not buying — the archetypal scarcity seller (rev +80% YoY) "probably will do well" and is "becoming less cyclical over time" via CUDA/ecosystem, but it's "Not Nvidia" among his biggest bets.8:38
FDSFactSetQT · SA · STK · FANeutralGrouped with SPGI/MCO/MSCI as a data/distribution name that won't commoditize — a good business, but he chose SPGI & MCO instead.18:01
MSCIMSCI Inc.QT · SA · STK · FANeutralSame good-but-not-owned data/index group as FactSet; durable, but not one of his chosen two.18:01
TSLATeslaQT · SA · STK · FANeutralDe-emphasized — "Not Tesla, not Nvidia" are his biggest bets; only a passing contrast (also noted EVs "can make new designs" in the Ferrari aside).21:40
AVGOBroadcomQT · SA · STK · FANeutralA networking seller he thinks is "becoming less cyclical over time" and "probably will do well" — a valid phase-1 pick, but not one of his big bets.8:30
MUMicron TechnologyQT · SA · STK · FANegative"Highly risky" — just crossed $1T (up ~10×, +18% on the day) on a one-time memory-demand spike; the most cyclical seller. "I'm not buying Micron." Will it be good when supply catches up? "I'm not so sure."9:00
SNDKSanDiskQT · SA · STK · FANegativeGrouped with Micron as a memory name riding a one-time demand wave — "I'm not buying SanDisk."9:02
VRTVertiv HoldingsQT · SA · STK · FANegativePower & cooling — great today on data-center demand, but "I'm very convinced these are more cyclical sellers… I don't believe they'll be great companies in 3 to 5 years."4:34
ANETArista NetworksQT · SA · STK · FANegativeA networking seller into AI demand — a cyclical "right place, right time" winner he doesn't expect to last 3–5 years.4:11
CRDOCredo TechnologyQT · SA · STK · FANegativeA connectivity seller grouped with the cyclical networking winners — strong now, but no durable moat once supply catches up.4:11
CATCaterpillarQT · SA · STK · FANegative"Way up" on data-center construction demand — a low-on-the-hierarchy cyclical beneficiary; great today, "not great in 3 to 5 years" once the build-out normalizes.4:43
DOCUDocuSignQT · SA · STK · FANegative"At significant risk" — its core e-signature product faces "massive bundling risk" from Adobe, Microsoft and startups; "what they do is not technically difficult anymore."19:09
ZMZoom CommunicationsQT · SA · STK · FANegative"In a very difficult spot" — "so much bundling risk" from Microsoft Teams and similar offerings.19:30
CRMSalesforceQT · SA · STK · FANegative"Less predictable" — could rerate higher, but AI "is targeted more specifically" as a threat; he keeps his portfolio out of this bucket.19:50
ADBEAdobeQT · SA · STK · FANegativeGrouped with the "less predictable" SaaS at AI-disruption risk — could resurge, but AI is aimed directly at it; he stays out.19:50
INTUIntuitQT · SA · STK · FANegativeSame "less predictable / AI-threatened" SaaS bucket as Salesforce, Adobe and Autodesk — he avoids it.19:50
ADSKAutodeskQT · SA · STK · FANegativeGrouped with the "less predictable" SaaS — AI is "targeted more specifically… as a threat" for these names.19:50
RACEFerrariQT · SA · STK · FANegativeNews item — its first EV (down 5.7% on the reveal) "doesn't look like a Ferrari" and dilutes the brand that is the whole company; "a bigger problem… than some investors are giving it credit for."23:12

"View" maps each name onto Carlson's AI roadmap. Positive = a holding / "predictable winner" (his big phase-3 bets GOOGL/AMZN/MSFT/META, durable phase-1 sellers ASML/TSM, data winners SPGI/MCO, AI-insulated UBER/DASH/SHOP/ABNB/SPOT/DUOL). Neutral = constructive-but-not-buying (NVDA, AVGO) or good-but-not-owned peers (FDS, MSCI) or de-emphasized (TSLA). Negative = cyclical sellers he avoids (MU, SNDK, VRT, ANET, CRDO, CAT) and AI-disruption / bundling risks (DOCU, ZM, CRM, ADBE, INTU, ADSK) plus a brand-risk news item (RACE). Research: QT Qualtrim · SA Seeking Alpha · STK Stock Analysis. Also referenced: "neoclouds" / GPU-rental and low-margin hardware assemblers (no ticker — prose), SK Hynix & Samsung (HBM peers), and the Stephen Colbert / CBS Late Show cancellation framed as a YouTube (Alphabet) tailwind.

2. Talking points

0:00 The setup — a 4-phase AI roadmap

2:08 Phase 1 — scarcity: sellers into demand win

5:46 You need some phase-1 exposure

6:06 Phase 2 — normalization: the durability test

7:46 ASML — his chosen phase-1 holding

9:00 The cyclical sellers he won't buy

11:42 Phase 3 — buyers / hyperscalers take power

12:32 Google straddles phase 1 and phase 3

13:51 Why the buyers lag now — cash going out

15:40 Own some phase 1, concentrate in phase 3

16:15 Phase 4 — software bifurcates

18:01 The predictable winners

19:09 The less-predictable / at-risk software

20:28 How he's positioned — the dollar bets

23:12 News — Ferrari's first EV dents the brand

17:17 Fail of the week — "Colbert cancelled because of Trump"

3. In plain English

A jargon-free summary of the thesis behind each substantive call — what it actually is and why he holds that view. (Plain-language companion to the table above; renders on each ticker's consolidated page.)

ASML — ASML Holding Positive

ASML is the Dutch firm with a near-total monopoly on the EUV machines that print the world's most advanced computer chips. In Carlson's AI roadmap this is "phase 1" — the scarcity phase, where whoever sells the scarce, must-have ingredient has huge pricing power. ASML is his chosen way to play it: a $140,000 position already up $78,000, and he holds every share.

The reason he picked ASML over other hot sellers is durability. Memory chips are a one-time sale; ASML sells building-sized machines that customers use for decades and pay it to service the whole time, so its earnings are far less likely to collapse when the boom cools. He thinks you should own a little phase-1 exposure (otherwise you miss the whole rally), but only through a durable seller like this one rather than the cyclical names.

GOOGL — Alphabet Positive

Alphabet (Google's parent) is unusual because it sits in two of Carlson's phases at once. It's partly "phase 1" — its in-house TPU chips are a scarce AI ingredient and a big reason the stock is up now — and partly "phase 3," the buyer/owner-of-the-customer phase where Google monetizes AI across Search, YouTube, Gemini, Cloud and ads for decades.

That dual role makes it one of his core bets: $130,000 in his passive-income portfolio and another $90,000 in his Story Fund, both well in the green, and he holds every share. His thesis is that once the AI sellers lose their pricing power, money rotates back to platforms like Google that "own the lifetime relationship" with billions of users.

AMZN — Amazon Positive

Amazon is one of Carlson's two favorite picks of the year (the other is Meta). In his framework it's a "phase 3" buyer — a hyperscaler that spends heavily on AI now but will monetize it for 10–20 years across AWS cloud, its Trainium chips, retail automation, advertising, logistics and shopping assistants. It's a $188,000 position in his Story Fund.

The key idea: today Amazon's spending depresses its reported profits, which makes the scarcity-phase sellers look better by comparison. But it "owns the customer," so when AI compute gets cheap and plentiful, Amazon turns all that spending into durable, long-lived profit. "I think Amazon is in a great position."

META — Meta Platforms Positive

Meta (Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Threads) is Carlson's other top pick this year — and notably a brand-new position he's already built to $180,000, now his third-largest holding. Like Amazon and Google, it's a "phase 3" buyer: it spends on AI now and monetizes it through better ad targeting, recommendations, business messaging and wearables for many years.

His bet is on the same power shift — away from the companies selling AI hardware and toward the giants that put AI to work inside products billions of people use daily. He expects it to take a year or two to pay off, but sees Meta as one of the most predictable long-term winners.

MSFT — Microsoft Positive

Microsoft is a classic "phase 3" buyer in Carlson's roadmap — a hyperscaler with, in his words, ten minutes' worth of ways to monetize AI: Azure cloud, Copilot, GitHub, Office, security and enterprise software. He owns $70,000 in his passive-income portfolio and $21,000 more in the Story Fund.

The logic is the same as for Google, Amazon and Meta: it's spending big on AI today (which holds the stock back relative to the hot sellers), but it owns deep customer relationships and will convert that spend into long-lived profit once the scarcity phase ends.

SPGI — S&P Global Positive

S&P Global runs the credit-ratings agency and the data/index business behind the S&P 500. In Carlson's "phase 4" software split, it's firmly on the winners' side: it has distribution, longevity, customer lock-in and unique data sets that AI can't easily copy — so AI makes it more useful, not obsolete.

The stock has been under pressure and investors are nervous, but he stays "very bullish" and owns over $100,000 of it. To him it's a predictable, hard-to-disrupt compounder being unfairly lumped in with vulnerable software.

MCO — Moody's Positive

Moody's is the other big credit-ratings-and-data company — effectively S&P Global's twin — and Carlson owns about $47,000 of it. It belongs in the same "won't be commoditized" group: proprietary data, deep customer relationships and a trusted, regulated franchise that AI can't readily replace.

Like S&P Global it has been pressured and doubted, but he still expects it to be a "big winner" over the long run.

MU — Micron Technology Negative

Micron makes memory chips, and it's the centerpiece of Carlson's warning about cyclical "scarcity sellers." Memory suddenly became scarce in the AI boom, so Micron's stock is up about 10× and just crossed a $1 trillion market value. The trap, he says, is that whenever a deeply cyclical stock soars, investors convince themselves it's no longer cyclical and that the fat profits will last.

He doesn't buy that. Memory is enjoying a one-time demand surge; when new supply comes online and contracts roll over, prices and profits can fall hard. So he calls it "highly risky" and is explicit: "I'm not buying Micron" (or SanDisk). It's a great business today, but he won't pay up for peak-cycle earnings.

DOCU — DocuSign Negative

DocuSign's main product is electronic signatures. Carlson puts it in the "at significant risk" bucket of his software split because e-signing is no longer technically hard — Adobe, Microsoft and many startups can offer it and simply bundle it into bigger products customers already pay for.

When a feature can be copied and given away inside someone else's suite, the standalone version tends to get a permanently lower valuation. That "massive bundling risk" is why he avoids it, even though the stock has already fallen a lot.

ZM — Zoom Communications Negative

Zoom is video conferencing, and Carlson sees it "in a very difficult spot" for the same reason as DocuSign: bundling. Microsoft Teams and similar tools come included with software companies already buy, so Zoom's core feature is increasingly something rivals give away as part of a larger package.

That commoditization risk is why it's in his "avoid" column — the product may survive, but investors may keep assigning it a low multiple.


Summary & timestamps derived from the public YouTube video (transcript in transcript.txt) for personal study. Not investment advice. © The Joseph Carlson Show for source material.