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"Everything goes in the too hard pile. It's only the anomalies that don't."
2026-AUG-02 · New Money (Brandon van der Kolk) · guest Mohnish Pabrai (Pabrai Investment Funds) · 49:43 · ▶ Watch · transcript · actionable insights
One-line take: He won't touch the index — the S&P is "at the worst case, not a no-brainer, and more likely ridiculously overvalued" — and offers BRK.B as the substitute: ~40% cash, no leverage, and a call option on Greg Abel getting aggressive into the next dislocation. AI is a too-hard pile: two or three winners and "a lot of carcasses on the roadside," hyperscalers forced to play (Zuckerberg: "whether the bet works or not, we have to play"), and headline capex overstated because compute costs 4-5× what it did a few years ago — so even the pickaxe makers (MU and the three-player memory oligopoly) go in the pile. His actual bet is KSPI (Kaspi.kz) — the WeChat of Kazakhstan, $2B of cash flow at 5-7×, a ~10% dividend yield, a 40%-owner rockstar CEO, plus a Turkey moonshot that makes it "heads I win, tails I win." Method: few, large, infrequent bets; explainable to a 10-year-old in four sentences; sourced by reading Value Investors Club until a 2×4 hits you; management integrity + capability non-negotiable (NVR fails — "why be slightly in bed with a crook?"); and never sell a compounder unless it's egregiously overpriced (COST at ~50× never has been; ~250× normalized would be).

1. Stocks & names mentioned

Stance reflects how each name was framed in this conversation, not a price target. Views are Pabrai's; the host's framing is context only. Passing moat examples (Visa, Mastercard, Amex, Moody's, FICO, Ferrari, Coca-Cola), the S&P 500 / passive-bubble question, Nvidia, Amazon, Meta, Tencent/WeChat and IKEA are discussion points, not positions. Research legend: QT Qualtrim · SA Seeking Alpha · STK Stock Analysis. Ordered Positive → Neutral → Negative.

TickerNameResearchViewWhat he saidAt
KSPIKaspi.kzQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHis flagship idea and the antithesis of the AI trade — "the WeChat of Kazakhstan," a super app cash-flowing $2B a year in a 10-million-person country, trading at "five to seven times cash flow" with a dividend yield "approaching 10%," run by a rockstar CEO who owns ~40-43%. The Turkey expansion is a free moonshot: "if the moonshot doesn't work at all you make two or three times your money… Heads I win, tails I win." Tencent/WeChat bought a big piece when the stock was "taken out back and shot."16:28
BRK.BBerkshire HathawayQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHis index substitute: "Don't buy the S&P. Buy BRKB." ~40% of the market cap is cash, another 25-30% good listed businesses, the rest great wholly-owned ones — "either fairly priced or underpriced, but probably not overpriced." The edge is the dislocation optionality: if one comes, "Greg Abel's going to step up to the bat" and you may be "looking at a double in a few years." He'd keep hoarding the cash, not distribute it.02:53
COSTCostco WholesaleQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHis hold-the-compounder exemplar: you don't sell "a Costco or a Coke or a Visa or a MasterCard or Amex… unless they're egregiously overpriced. Not overpriced, but egregiously overpriced." His marker: ~50× trailing earnings is not egregious — "for Costco, it has never been the case"; ~250× trailing normalized earnings would be. So: keep owning it.46:56
GOOGLAlphabet (Google)QT · SA · STK · FANeutralBerkshire's ~$30B position was Buffett's own call, not Abel's — he's had "a front row seat on Google for a long time" via GEICO's ad spend (20 bucks a click costing Google under a cent) and a pre-IPO visit from Sergey and Larry. But Pabrai tempers it twice: Buffett only makes 4-trillion-cap bets because his universe is tiny ("if he were managing 100 billion, I don't think there'd be a Google bet"), and Google is "now a company with debt" and high capex for the first time.08:44
MUMicron TechnologyQT · SA · STK · FANeutralThe pickaxe seller in the AI gold rush, and a genuine moat — Micron's CFO told him that even with every patent, engineer and process person, "if one of our fabs went down… we're not sure we can get the same throughput out of it… there's a part of this business that's black magic." The three memory makers can't keep up, are on allocation and are "jacking up their prices." But "even better than pickaxe makers is put the whole thing in the too hard pile": where is it in three or five years, and which of the three pulls ahead? Unknowable.11:19
ADBEAdobeQT · SA · STK · FANeutralAsked about the -36%/-63% drawdown and AI image-generation risk, he refuses to have a view: the whole question reduces to whether you have high conviction on the minimum cash flows over 5-15 years. "Adobe may be a no-brainer for one person and a too-hard pile for another. To me… it just goes in too-hard pile." Gun to the head, Adobe or Kaspi, he takes Kaspi — "or you could just say neither."29:45
SpaceXSpaceX (private / recent IPO)NeutralSplit verdict: "the SpaceX business is phenomenal" and the odds it does well are "almost a no-brainer" — Elon "is not human," interviewed the first 3,000 hires himself, killed the rocket industry knowing nothing about rockets. Never short him ("do not short a superhuman"). "But SpaceX as an investment is a very different question. That goes in the too hard pile" — asteroid mining and intergalactic adventures may come about, "but I don't need to make that bet." Kaspi over SpaceX every time.35:23
NVRNVR Inc.QT · SA · STK · FANegativeA famous buyback compounder (80-90% of the stock retired over two decades) that he passed on outright: with the founder gone, "something like 40 or 50% of the shares that they buy back end up in the pockets of the managers" — the knights managing the castle are feasting. "When I see that, it immediately says to me: we're done." On the friend who owns it as a small position because of the issue: "why would you want to be slightly in bed with a crook?"40:19

2. Talking points

1:29 Few bets, large bets, infrequent bets — and the automatic pass

2:27 The S&P isn't a no-brainer — "more likely ridiculously overvalued"

2:53 Buy Berkshire as the index substitute

3:36 Buffett vs Abel is the wrong question — size is the 800-lb gorilla

7:39 The Google bet was Buffett's — a front-row seat via GEICO

8:44 Debt, capex, and "we have to play"

9:28 The AI shakeout — and why the capex numbers are inflated

11:19 Even the pickaxe makers go in the too-hard pile

13:01 The simple Monish rule — fish where nobody is looking

14:14 Kaspi — the WeChat of Kazakhstan

15:31 The Turkey moonshot and the dividend that got shot

17:00 Heads I win, tails I win

18:37 "Your deepest desire is your destiny"

20:50 Four sentences to a 10-year-old — then read until a 2×4 hits you

24:41 No called strikes — don't swing until you're "5,000% all in"

27:06 Small capital is the edge — hang out in unpopular nooks and crannies

29:45 Adobe — a clean demonstration of the too-hard pile

31:32 Never short a superhuman — but going long is still a pass

35:23 Great business ≠ good investment

36:03 Use the too-hard pile aggressively — and refuse the passive-bubble question

39:28 The non-negotiable: management integrity and capability

40:19 NVR — "why would you want to be slightly in bed with a crook?"

44:17 The regret: 20% Graham, 80% Fisher-Munger

46:09 Accidental moats — and selling only at egregious prices

3. In plain English

A jargon-free summary of the thesis behind each name — what it actually is and why he holds that view. (Plain-language companion to the table above; renders on each ticker's consolidated page.)

KSPI — Kaspi.kz Positive

Kaspi is a Kazakh "super app" — one phone app that handles your banking, payments, shopping and even your driver's licence, the way WeChat does in China. It trades on the Nasdaq, so an American can buy it easily. Ten years ago it was a broken, failing bank; a manager Pabrai calls a rockstar took it over, rebuilt it into the super app, and now owns roughly 40-43% of the company himself — so his money is in the same boat as yours.

The numbers are the appeal. Kaspi throws off about $2 billion of cash a year in a country of only 10 million people — no other Kazakh company is close — and the shares change hands at only five to seven times that annual cash, with a dividend yield "approaching 10%". Pabrai's point: you don't need a bank account when a business this profitable is paying you 10% a year just to hold it.

The extra kicker is Turkey. The CEO bought a small Turkish bank and a struggling fintech to repeat the Kazakh playbook in a country with eight times the population that is still "all analog, all paper" — and to fund it he suspended the dividend for 12-18 months, which made the share price collapse ("they took the stock out back and shot it"). Tencent, the owner of WeChat, bought a big stake on that dip, and so did the CEO. That collapse is what created the price Pabrai likes. His framing: if the Turkey expansion fails completely you still make two or three times your money on the Kazakh business alone; if it works, the upside is unknown. That's why he calls it "heads I win, tails I win" — not the usual "tails I don't lose much."

BRK.B — Berkshire Hathaway Positive

Pabrai's advice to anyone who would normally just buy an S&P 500 index fund: don't, at these prices — buy Berkshire Hathaway's B shares instead. He thinks the S&P today is "at the worst case not a no-brainer, and more likely ridiculously overvalued," which is a bad starting point for someone putting money in every month for decades.

Berkshire works as a substitute because of what's inside it: roughly 40% of its stock-market value is simply cash, another quarter or so is shares in good listed companies, and the rest is a collection of businesses it owns outright. There's no borrowed money magnifying the risk. On his read that mix is fairly priced or cheap, but almost certainly not expensive.

The part he really wants is the free option on a crash. If markets stay calm, you've taken very little risk. If they break, Greg Abel (Buffett's successor) has an enormous pile of cash to spend at distressed prices — which is why Pabrai also says Berkshire should not pay that cash out to shareholders. A serious dislocation "might wipe out all that cash," and buyers at the bottom are how you "may be looking at a double in a few years."

COST — Costco Wholesale Positive

Costco appears here not as a new idea but as his answer to the hardest question a long-term investor faces: when do you sell a winner? Pabrai's rule is that truly durable businesses — the ones that accidentally end up with a deep competitive moat, like Costco, Coca-Cola, Visa, Mastercard or American Express — should be held and not traded, because businesses that survive and thrive for 50 or 100 years are rare enough that owning one is a privilege.

His threshold for selling is deliberately extreme: not merely "expensive," but egregiously overpriced — a valuation "so extreme that you cannot justify it." He puts a number on it. Costco at about 50 times its last year's earnings does not qualify; in his view Costco "has never been" egregiously overpriced in its history. Something like 250 times normalized earnings would be.

The practical takeaway for a holder: pricey is not a sell signal. Keep owning it while the moat holds, and only revisit if the price detaches from reality by an order of magnitude.

GOOGL — Alphabet (Google) Neutral

Berkshire put roughly $30 billion into Alphabet, and Pabrai says it makes far more sense that Buffett made that call than his successor. Buffett has watched Google's economics from the inside for two decades: Berkshire's car insurer GEICO buys Google ads, paying about $20 for a click that costs Google less than a cent to deliver — spectacular profitability he could see up close and long regretted not acting on. Google's founders even came to him for advice before the company went public.

But Pabrai is careful not to read it as a recommendation for ordinary investors. Buffett is managing so much money that only trillion-dollar companies are big enough to matter to him — "if he were managing 100 billion, I don't think there'd be a Google bet." Buffett himself downplayed it, saying he doesn't like it as much as four or five businesses Berkshire already owns.

And the company itself has changed shape. Alphabet has never carried debt before, and never had to spend heavily on physical assets; now it has both, because the AI arms race forces it to. That's a materially different, more capital-hungry business than the one Pabrai admired — hence a neutral, observer's stance rather than a buy.

MU — Micron Technology Neutral

Micron makes memory chips — one of only three companies in the world that do, alongside Samsung and SK Hynix. In the AI boom they are the classic "selling pickaxes in a gold rush" business: the hyperscalers must buy from them, the three can't produce enough, customers are put on allocation (told to take a number), and prices are being raised aggressively. That price inflation is a big part of why headline AI capex numbers look so enormous.

Pabrai thinks the barrier to a fourth competitor is genuine, and he has it first-hand: Micron's own finance chief told him that even with every patent, every engineer, every process expert and the original build team, if a factory went down "we're not sure we can get the same throughput out of it" — part of the manufacturing is, in his word, "black magic" that can't be documented or copied.

Even so, he won't own it. "Even better than pickaxe makers is put the whole thing in the too hard pile." The question he can't answer is where the business stands in three or five years, and whether one of the three pulls decisively ahead of the others — and an unanswerable question is an automatic pass, however attractive the present looks.

ADBE — Adobe Neutral

Adobe makes the creative software (Photoshop, Premiere and the rest) that most video and design businesses run on. Its shares have been crushed — down roughly a third in a year and about 63% from the 2024 high — because investors fear AI image and video generators will erode the business. That looks like the kind of hated, unloved setup Pabrai hunts for.

He still won't touch it, and his reasoning is a lesson rather than a verdict on Adobe. The only question that matters is whether you can say, with high confidence, what minimum cash the business will produce over the next 5, 10 or 15 years; discount that back to today's money and the decision "becomes obvious" one way or the other. If you can't answer with conviction, "the answer is we move on."

His honest conclusion: "Adobe may be a no-brainer for one person and a too-hard pile for another. To me, it just goes in the too-hard pile." Forced to pick between Adobe and Kaspi he takes Kaspi, because he can see Kaspi's cash flows and can't see Adobe's — but he tells the host the correct answer for most people is simply "neither," and keep looking among the other 50,000 companies.

SpaceX — SpaceX (private / recent IPO) Neutral

Asked about SpaceX's blockbuster listing, Pabrai splits the question in two — and the split is the whole point of the segment. On the business, he could not be more admiring: Elon Musk is "not human," knew nothing about rockets and destroyed the entire rocket industry, lands two boosters backwards simultaneously, personally interviewed the first 3,000 hires, and runs five companies at once. The odds that SpaceX as a business succeeds are "almost a no-brainer," and quoting Munger — "never underestimate someone who overestimates themselves" — his firm rule is never to bet against him: "do not short a superhuman."

On the investment, the answer is a flat pass: "SpaceX as an investment is a very different question. That goes in the too hard pile." The offering documents promise asteroid mining and intergalactic ventures, and with Musk involved some of it may even happen — "but I don't need to make that bet."

The comparison he draws is the useful part: given a choice between SpaceX and Kaspi he takes Kaspi, "because it's easier to understand. If I lose the money, I know how I lost it." A great company is not the same thing as a knowable investment. (Note this is a softer, more admiring framing than the June 2026 appearance, where SpaceX was cited purely as the crowd's next "shiny object.")

NVR — NVR Inc. Negative

NVR is a US homebuilder famous among value investors for having bought back 80-90% of its own shares over two decades instead of paying dividends — mechanically making each remaining share worth much more, and delivering superb returns. Pabrai looked at it recently and passed outright.

The reason is what happens to those repurchased shares now that the founder is gone. Roughly 40-50% of the stock the company buys back ends up handed to the current managers as compensation — so shareholders are funding an enormous pay package rather than shrinking the share count. In his imagery, "the knights who are managing the castle" are having an excessive feast. "When I see that, it immediately says to me: we're done."

The transferable rule is the sharper part. A fund-manager friend owns NVR as a deliberately small position because of the pay problem — and Pabrai finds that indefensible: "why would you want to be slightly in bed with a crook?" With 50,000 listed companies available, management greed is a free, costless reason to move on. (He grants Elon Musk an exception on pay, since the targets attached to it are near-impossible.)


Summary & timestamps derived from the public YouTube video (transcript in transcript.txt) for personal study. Not investment advice. © New Money / Pabrai Investment Funds for source material.