← Paul Harris hub  ·  Research hub  ·  Research library

Paul Harris — How to Buy Underperforming Stocks Without Getting Burned

"It's all about knowing how to tell a beaten-down stock from a broken one — a low multiple may just be a lousy business."
2026-JUN-30 · In the Money with Amber Kanwar · guest Paul Harris, CFA (Harris Douglas Asset Management) · ~59 min · ▶ Watch · transcript · actionable insights
One-line take: Expect more volatility in a churning, headline-less market trading at heavy multiples — so hunt underperformers, but separate a beaten-down quality business from a broken one. He's not a "10x-and-hope" value player: buy good businesses with cash flow and a real catalyst, avoid cyclical value traps (Campbell, packaged food) and story stocks priced far ahead of fundamentals (SpaceX). Likes turnarounds run by operators who systematically fix the business, not strip-and-flip activists. Three high-conviction new ideas — Meta, Microsoft, EssilorLuxottica — all "Google-esque": cheap, feared, durable. Still owns his past picks Alphabet, Stryker and CNQ. Timestamps link into the video.

1. Stocks & names mentioned

TickerNameResearchViewWhat he saidAt
MDA.TOMDA SpaceQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveRather own MDA than SpaceX to play the satellite boom — beat numbers, raised guidance, ~$4.3B backlog, great balance sheet, and a growing defense angle as warfare shifts to satellites.14:33
T.TOTELUSQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveOwns Telus over BCE — new CEO (ex-CIBC) arriving July 1 likely to cut the dividend and find cost savings; would add here with the stock at its lowest since 2013 (~11% yield).20:47
BCE.TOBCE Inc. (Bell)QT · SA · STK · FAPositiveForming a base after halving the dividend to pay down debt; the ~5.5% yield is now reliable and "not going down anymore" — back to the steady income story. Doesn't own it (prefers Telus).18:13
CAE.TOCAE Inc.QT · SA · STK · FAPositive"One of the more interesting stories on Bay Street" — worth buying here; new CEO candid about past failures, the cyclical civil-sim side is the drag but the defense arm can grow as Canada lifts defense spending.26:01
GOOGLAlphabetQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHis best past pick (doubled); still owns. Bought at 18x when everyone said AI would kill search — AI, Cloud, YouTube and Waymo all compounding. Only risk is the heavy AI capex / first equity issue in 15-20 years.39:02
SYKStrykerQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveStill owns; thesis intact — aging population needs more knee/hip/spine procedures, products get patients out of hospital faster, and surgeon switching costs are high. Weakness = analysts over-modeled the post-COVID backlog + a cyber attack.42:02
METAMeta PlatformsQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHis top new idea — the cheapest AI winner at ~17x, below the market; beat numbers, growing faster, and "you can see AI working" in the ad numbers. Risk: heavy AI spend with no cloud business to defray it (Zuckerberg's metaverse-type bets).46:38
MSFTMicrosoftQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveAI-disruption fear ("software gets ripped out") is "absurd" — switching costs across Office/Azure are huge; Azure +37% last quarter, now ~22-25x vs 35-40x before. Copilot is clunky but enterprises won't leave.48:40
EL.PAEssilorLuxotticaQT · SA · STKPositiveCheap eyewear compounder "in the dumps" on overblown Meta-wearable fears; dominates lenses, grows GDP+ (~3-5%) with an annuity-like franchise — people who start wearing glasses keep buying. "Not a tech company."53:12
CNQCanadian Natural ResourcesQT · SA · STK · FANeutralLoves the business (smart counter-cyclical acquirers, always on-time/on-budget) but trimmed into the run-up and wouldn't buy here — wants oil to reset lower first, then would add. "There's too much oil in the world."44:36
FDXFedExQT · SA · STK · FANeutralDoesn't own it but respects the turnaround — the LTL spin-off, narrowed focus and new ROIC discipline make it a better-run global logistics name than UPS. Delivery is still cyclical, so he doesn't love the category.29:16
UPSUnited Parcel ServiceQT · SA · STK · FANeutralBehind FedEx — still restructuring after over-relying on Amazon, which pressured pricing; "where FedEx was a few years ago." Doesn't own it.31:49
AMZNAmazonQT · SA · STK · FANeutralA logistics company mainly for itself — not yet expanding into FedEx/UPS's third-party business as feared; also cited as a place where "AI is clearly working" in the numbers.29:52
SpaceXSpaceX (private)Negative"Wouldn't touch it with a 10-ft pole" — wildly overvalued, $25B of debt absurdly rated triple-B before cash-flow positive, weak AI vs Anthropic/OpenAI, the Mars rocket hasn't reached orbit; Musk a brilliant promoter spread too thin.9:12
TSLATeslaQT · SA · STK · FANegative"Not done as well as people think" — BYD is a better car at a cheaper price with a better battery; Musk wasted money on the Cybertruck instead of a $30-35k car, is distracted (Doge, X), and is nowhere in robotaxi vs Waymo.10:02
BB.TOBlackBerryQT · SA · STK · FANegativeBest TSX stock of 2026 (+200%) but highly speculative — cyber-security and IoT are crowded, the rally is off a low base, still an unproven turnaround. Not the Bombardier-style comeback (no Quebec Inc. backing).24:04
CPBCampbell's CompanyQT · SA · STK · FANegativeThe classic value-trap lesson — at a ~30-year low with "horrific" numbers, a terrible snack business, heavy debt, and lost shelf-space power as healthier brands crowd in. Wouldn't buy it.32:20
CAGConagra BrandsQT · SA · STK · FANegativeGrouped with Campbell and Kraft Heinz as "very bad businesses" — packaged-food value traps losing shelf-space power to healthier upstarts.32:42
KHCKraft HeinzQT · SA · STK · FANegativeSame bucket — a "terrible" packaged-food business he'd avoid; brands have lost the competitive edge they once had.32:42
NKENikeQT · SA · STK · FANegative"Another lemon" — a great global brand undone by a string of missteps he can't fully explain; competitors took share and the brand isn't saving the stock. Owns it only because he never sells; wouldn't add.34:29

"View" is Paul Harris's stance in this conversation (Positive / Neutral / Negative), not a price rating. Research: QT Qualtrim · SA Seeking Alpha · STK Stock Analysis. Foreign lines use the cross-listed/ADR symbol for research (Telus→TU, BCE→BCE, CAE→CAE, BlackBerry→BB, MDA Space→MDALF, EssilorLuxottica→ESLOY). He discloses owning NKE, GOOGL, META, MSFT and CNQ. The Hamilton Enhanced Mixed Asset ETF (MIX) was a sponsor read by the host, not a Paul Harris view, so it is not tabled.

2. Talking points

0:00 Cold open — beaten-down vs broken

3:36 Expect more volatility

4:14 The positives

6:00 Not a "10x-and-hope" value player

7:26 SpaceX — the bubble tell

10:02 Tesla / Musk — distracted promoter

14:33 MDA over SpaceX

16:45 Starlink vs the telecoms

18:13 BCE — a base, not an implosion

20:47 Telus — the more interesting telecom

23:23 BlackBerry — speculative, not Bombardier

26:01 CAE — sum-of-the-parts

29:00 FedEx vs UPS

32:20 Campbell — the value-trap lesson

34:29 Nike — another lemon

36:30 How to judge a turnaround

39:02 Pro-picks review — Google & the don't-sell lesson

42:02 Stryker — medtech moat

44:36 CNQ — world-class, but wait for lower oil

46:01 Meta — cheapest AI winner

48:40 Microsoft — software won't be ripped out

53:12 EssilorLuxottica — eyewear annuity

3. In plain English

A jargon-free summary of the thesis behind each pick — what it actually is and why he holds that view. (Plain-language companion to the table above; renders on each ticker's consolidated page.)

MDA.TO — MDA Space Positive

MDA Space is a Toronto-listed satellite-technology company. A viewer asked whether to play the space race through MDA instead of buying into SpaceX's IPO, and Harris agrees: "better to own MDA than SpaceX."

His case: MDA beat its numbers, raised its forecast, has a big order book (~$4.3B of work already booked) and a strong balance sheet. The satellite business is the genuinely good part of the space story, and as modern defense shifts from big rockets to satellites and other tech, MDA increasingly benefits from rising defense budgets too.

T.TO — TELUS Positive

Telus is one of Canada's big phone/internet companies. Harris owns it (not rival BCE) because a new CEO — a former CIBC bank chief who already sat on the board — is arriving and is likely to cut the very high dividend (~11%) and squeeze out costs.

The market hasn't "front-run" the good news because nobody yet knows exactly what he'll do, and the stock is at its lowest since 2013. Harris would add here: these telecoms won't grow their sales much, but they can grow profits by restructuring, cutting debt and using AI to lower costs.

BCE.TO — BCE Inc. (Bell) Positive

BCE (Bell) is the other Canadian telecom giant. It had a rough stretch, cut its dividend in half to pay down a heavy debt load, and is now "forming a base" — the stock has stopped falling apart.

Harris's read: the ~5.5% dividend is now dependable and won't be cut again, so it's back to being the steady income stock people used to buy. He doesn't own it (he prefers Telus's bigger turnaround), but he's constructive on it as a reliable, recovering name rather than a broken one.

CAE.TO — CAE Inc. Positive

CAE is a Canadian company that makes flight simulators and training for airlines and militaries. Its civil (airline) side has been cyclical and disappointing — that's the part that's dragged the stock down.

But its defense business can actually grow as Canada and allies ramp up military spending, and a new CEO (from defense-maker Northrop Grumman) has been refreshingly honest about past mistakes. Harris thinks it's "worth buying here" — buy on the dips and accept that the civil side stays cyclical.

GOOGL — Alphabet Positive

Alphabet (Google) was his best past pick — it doubled. He bought it when it traded at 18x earnings (cheaper than the market) and everyone assumed AI would destroy Google search. Instead AI, the cloud business, YouTube and the Waymo robotaxi are all growing fast.

He admits he made the mistake of selling near the peak Gemini-panic, then learned to "never sell" quality. He still owns it. The one risk he can't fully answer: Google is pouring its cash flow into AI and even did a rare big stock sale to fund it — will that heavy spending ever stop, and what happens if it does?

SYK — Stryker Positive

Stryker makes medical devices — knee, hip and spine implants and surgical tools. The stock dipped because analysts had over-estimated how much pent-up surgery demand would persist after COVID, and the company had a cyber attack.

Harris still owns it and likes the long-term story: an aging population needs more of these procedures, the devices get patients out of the hospital faster (which saves money), and surgeons rarely switch suppliers — the sales reps are literally in the operating room. A durable, sticky business catching a temporary dip.

META — Meta Platforms Positive

Meta (Facebook, Instagram) is his favorite new idea — he calls it the cheapest AI winner. It trades around 17x earnings, well below the overall market, near a one-year low, yet it beat expectations and is growing faster than most.

Crucially, you can see AI working in its advertising numbers — it's not a promise, it's showing up in revenue. The risk: Meta spends enormous sums on AI chips and data centers that only serve itself, with no cloud-rental business (like Google's) to help pay for it, and Zuckerberg has a history of expensive side-bets (the metaverse). He thinks the cheap price more than makes up for that risk.

MSFT — Microsoft Positive

Microsoft fell to a new low on the fear that AI will let companies "rip out" Office, Word and the rest. Harris thinks that fear is absurd: a business focused on making its own product won't rebuild its entire software stack on some untested newcomer, and there's a huge amount of legal/compliance plumbing baked into incumbent software.

He concedes Microsoft's Copilot AI assistant is clunky today, but giant institutions are too interconnected and risk-averse to switch. Meanwhile its Azure cloud grew 37% in a quarter, and you can now buy the stock at ~22-25x earnings versus 35-40x not long ago — a great business at a much fairer price.

EL.PA — EssilorLuxottica Positive

EssilorLuxottica is a French-Italian eyewear champion — it makes most of the world's lenses and owns Ray-Ban, Sunglass Hut and the licensed glasses for luxury brands like Dior and Chanel. The stock is "in the dumps," partly on fears that its Meta Ray-Ban smart-glasses partnership makes it a risky "tech" bet.

Harris says that's a misread: it's not a tech company, it's a steady eyewear business that grows around 3-5% a year. The appeal is the "annuity" — once people start wearing glasses they keep buying, and more screen time plus an aging population means ever more customers. A cheap, durable compounder the market has mistaken for something riskier.

CNQ — Canadian Natural Resources Neutral

CNQ is a large Canadian oil and gas producer he has owned and praises highly — it's run by people who make smart acquisitions when oil crashes (buying assets cheaply and integrating them well) and who deliver projects on time and on budget. "An incredibly well-run business."

But he trimmed his position after a big run-up and wouldn't buy at today's price — he expects oil to fall back to lower levels ("there's too much oil in the world"), and that dip is when he'd add more. So it's a great company on a "wait" — positive on the business, neutral on buying right now.

FDX — FedEx Neutral

FedEx is the global package-delivery company. Harris doesn't own it, but he respects its turnaround: it spun off its slower freight (less-than-truckload) division, narrowed its focus, and now manages for "return on invested capital" — i.e. only doing things that actually earn a good return.

He rates it ahead of rival UPS, but delivery is an inherently cyclical business he doesn't love, so it's an appreciate-the-progress call rather than a buy.

SpaceX — SpaceX (private) Negative

SpaceX is Elon Musk's private rocket-and-satellite company, which recently let investors buy in. Harris "wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole": he thinks it's wildly overvalued, and he's stunned that it raised $25 billion of debt yet got a solid investment-grade (triple-B) credit rating before it even makes consistent cash — something Netflix and Amazon had to wait years for.

His point is that bond investors only care "can I get my money back?", not Mars dreams. He concedes the satellite business is genuinely valuable (which is why he'd rather own MDA), but rates the AI part as weak and the headline rocket-to-Mars story as unproven — classic late-cycle bubble behavior.

TSLA — Tesla Negative

Tesla, he argues, hasn't done as well as people think. China's BYD now makes a better electric car at a lower price with a better battery, and Musk "wasted" money and attention on the Cybertruck instead of building an affordable $30-35k car.

He also thinks Musk is spread too thin — distracted by politics (Doge) and X/Twitter — and is far behind on robotaxis, where Google's Waymo is already operating well in major cities. His timelines, Harris says, simply won't be met; Musk is "a great promoter," which is different from a great operator.

BB.TO — BlackBerry Negative

BlackBerry was the best stock on the Toronto exchange in 2026 (up ~200%), but Harris won't chase it. The rally is off a very low base, and its two real businesses — cyber-security and the "internet of things" — are crowded with competition.

He calls it "highly speculative" and still an unproven turnaround. People compare it to Bombardier's famous comeback, but he says that's a bad analogy: Bombardier had heavy Quebec government ("Quebec Inc.") support, and BlackBerry has nothing like that backstop.

CPB — Campbell's Company Negative

Campbell's (soup and snacks) sits near a 30-year low, and it's Harris's textbook "value trap" — a stock that looks cheap but is cheap for a reason. The numbers have been "horrific," the snack business is terrible, and it carries a lot of debt from past acquisitions.

The deeper problem: big packaged-food brands used to command supermarket shelf space, but that power has eroded as healthier upstart brands crowd in. He'd never buy it, and lumps Conagra and Kraft Heinz in the same "very bad businesses" bucket.

NKE — Nike Negative

Nike has a great global brand — everyone wears the shoes at the World Cup — but the stock is "another lemon." Competitors have taken share, and Harris admits he can't fully explain why a company with such a strong brand keeps making missteps; "every time they do something, it's not the right thing."

He owns it only because of his strict "never sell" rule (and a 25-40-year time horizon), not because he'd buy more. He uses turnarounds like this to make the point that a great brand alone doesn't fix a broken business — you need an operator who systematically repairs it rather than just stripping it for a quick stock pop.


Summary & timestamps derived from the public YouTube video (transcript in transcript.txt) for personal study. Not investment advice. © In the Money with Amber Kanwar / Paul Harris / Harris Douglas Asset Management for source material.