In short: Terranova's durable higher-rates trade (12:31). "There's been this revival in the insurance companies, that your Allstate, it's Travelers, Chubb, Progressive. I think there's sustainability… higher rates are going to benefit those insurance companies."
In short: No rating stated, but squarely in the personal-lines sub-group he is most negative on: captive-agent auto carriers are losing ~1.5 pts of share a year to direct writers, and "what everyone is getting from a Progressive or an Allstate is lower rates" while the industry still over-earns — a deflationary soft market into end-2027.
Allstate sells car and home insurance mainly through its own agents. Two things work against it in Tunis's view: online direct sellers (Geico, Progressive) keep taking about 1.5 points of market share a year, and the whole auto industry is now cutting prices after over-charging — while safer cars shrink the pool of claims to insure.
14:09where you get a market where carriers are actually taking rate decreases like that on average is what
14:16everyone is getting from a Progressive or an All State is lower rates so you've got this deflationary component tons and
In short: Downgraded to underweight at Wells Fargo, target 250. The holder's response concedes the analysis but rejects the action: "growth is slowing, margins are starting to compress — all fair, all fair comments. And if we look at the daily chart, you'd think we'd probably need to get out of this name at peak margins coming down. I would submit they probably are." But: "if you stretch this back and look at a one-year chart, this thing has been on fire, it's been on a tear. So if you're taking some profits up here and you tone down the estimates, I'm OK with that" — while making clear the downgrade implies selling all of it, "and we're not doing that." Conclusion: "I don't agree with the 250 price target, but I do agree that if you're at a peak margin you're probably not going to go to the next peak — you're probably going to level off. But this is a durable earnings story. You don't need to sell the stock here. I think it can be higher a year into the future."
Wells Fargo downgraded Allstate to underweight with a $250 target, arguing growth is slowing and profit margins are starting to compress. The holder on the desk agrees with the diagnosis and rejects the prescription — a useful distinction.
The concession: "if you're at a peak margin, you're probably not going to go to the next peak. You're probably going to level off here." Insurance is cyclical, and after a huge run the easy money is made. The rejection: a downgrade to underweight implies selling the entire position, "and we're not doing that." Taking some profit after a big run is fine; abandoning "a durable earnings story" is not. "I think it can be higher a year into the future."
In short: Brown's answer to "is Allstate selling GPUs?" — no, and that's the point: "I really believe the story of insurance companies as an example of companies that are using AI, turning it on their businesses, weaponizing it against the problems that they once had and using it to get more efficient. So their operating margins are getting far better." Later named again among the insurers "we've been highlighting all year — Travelers, Chubb, Allstate, MetLife, one after another. All of those charts look great."
Allstate is Josh Brown's rebuttal to the claim that this market is only about AI. "Is Allstate selling GPUs?" No — it's an adopter. Insurers are taking AI and "weaponizing it against the problems that they once had": faster claims handling, better fraud detection, less manual underwriting. The result shows up as wider operating margins and better earnings, with no AI revenue at all. It's also one of four insurers whose charts he says look great, alongside Travelers, Chubb and MetLife.
In short: His proof that momentum isn't just hyper-growth — "a lot of the financial sector is momentum." Insurance names Allstate, Travelers and Chubb are "all doing really well YTD" at reasonable valuations.
Allstate is a big property-and-casualty insurer. Terranova uses it to make a subtle point: "momentum" doesn't only mean expensive, fast-moving growth stocks. A lot of the financial sector — insurers like Allstate, Travelers and Chubb — has quietly been a momentum winner all year while still trading at reasonable valuations. So you can ride the momentum factor in steady, cheaper names, not just in hyper-growth tech.
In short: Reference — another Sy Jacobs win: a "qualified plug" that had run 40% but was breaking out and "has continued to surge." "Chalk up another 'W' for Sy" — Team Haymaker "should have been all, or ALL, over it" given its love of upside range expansions, "but that one got away." A breakout endorsement in passing, not the week's pick.
In short: A carrier he bought ~3 years ago at the trough alongside Progressive (a "beat or two too early"). Carriers are great at fixing their own mistakes — they cut spend, push through state-approved price increases and restore margins. ALL has roughly doubled; he's trimming into the "close to a mission-accomplished situation."
Allstate is the other big auto carrier Sy bought near the cyclical bottom about three years ago (a "beat or two too early"). Same story as Progressive: insurers stumbled into a price war, lost money, then restored profits by pushing through state-approved rate increases and cutting spending. Allstate has roughly doubled, so Sy is scaling it back — "close to a mission-accomplished situation" — and rotating his enthusiasm toward the cheaper, more operating-leveraged lead-gen marketplaces.
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