In short: His own fund and the vehicle for the whole thesis: "you can create almost a 7 percent yield. So we're running about a 6.80 yield at an average rating of A minus. And, by the way, with interest rate exposure that's under 3 years. That is I've lived much of my career never being close." Built from high yield, emerging markets and securitized assets, "I own more Europe than the U.S.," and deliberately dull — "as boring as possible… as stable as possible… diversify it like crazy." (The auto-caption's "BINK" is BlackRock's BINC.)
BINC is the fund Rieder himself runs — a bond fund that trades on the stock exchange like a share. Instead of holding one kind of bond it moves freely between several: high yield (loans to companies with weaker credit ratings, which pay more because they are riskier), emerging markets (debt of developing countries and their companies), and securitized assets (bonds backed by pools of real loans — mortgages, car loans, equipment leases — where the borrowers' repayments fund the interest). Right now it holds more European than U.S. paper.
What makes him enthusiastic is a combination that used to be impossible. The fund yields about 6.80%; its average credit rating is A−, which is solidly investment-grade rather than junk; and its duration is under three years. Duration is simply how much the price falls when interest rates rise — under three years means a one-percentage-point rise in rates costs roughly 3% of value, versus roughly 20% for a long Treasury bond. Historically, getting near 7% meant either lending for decades (and accepting that price risk) or lending to much weaker borrowers. "I've lived much of my career never being close" to being able to do all three at once.
Why it is possible now ties directly to his macro call: governments and AI borrowers are issuing enormous amounts of debt — $673 billion of Treasuries in a single week — and all that supply forces the price of money up. Savers are being paid a high real (after-inflation) rate simply for showing up. His own arithmetic says high-yield bonds "should be trading 150, 200 base points lower in yield" — meaning they are cheap relative to how healthy corporate borrowers actually are; the extra yield is compensation for the flood of financing, not for deteriorating companies.
The governing philosophy is deliberately unexciting: "my upside is they pay you back." A bond's best case is getting your money back with interest, so there is no upside to chase, only downside to avoid — hence a portfolio built to be "as boring as possible… as stable as possible" and diversified "like crazy." And note what he is not doing: he takes credit risk while refusing duration risk, because in his view the long end of the curve is where the fiscal-supply problem gets paid for.
8:03And that, to me, is a big one. Westin: Give us a little more detail on how you are balancing your portfolio. I took a look at some of the numbers and looked like high yield and securitize you've got a fair amount of. And there's some other stuff. -So my fixed income, so BINK is our big ETF. You know, bonds are very different than equities and bonds...
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