In short: The other half of the same structural point — event/prediction contracts arriving on a regulated derivatives exchange. Zeigler: gambling products now sit beside financial products "in the same Robinhood app, or pretty soon on the same exchange at the CME — that feels like something we should pay more attention to." No view on the business; the concern is that gambling risk and investment risk get commingled in one venue.
The same point, one step up the food chain. CME is a regulated derivatives exchange — the venue where professionals hedge interest rates, oil and equity index risk. Zeigler's remark is that event and sports-adjacent contracts are heading for that same exchange "pretty soon."
The observation is that this legitimises the category rather than merely hosting it: a contract cleared at CME carries the institutional imprimatur of the market's core plumbing. Whether that is good (regulated, transparent, better than offshore books) or bad (it dissolves the line between hedging and wagering) is left open in the episode.
No view on the stock is expressed. Recorded because it is a named, dated structural change worth tracking, not because anything was recommended.
43:09If people want to burn their money, I fully believe people should be allowed to worsen their situation if it's genuinely what they want to do and that we shouldn't stop people from necessarily doing that. But it's just become insidious, and that's where it starts getting more concerning both on a cultural and what are we doing as a country perspective, but also just markets, market structure, right? The fact that all these products live right next to financial products literally in the same Robinhood app, or pretty soon on the same exchange at the
In short: Same setup as Cboe: under pressure all year on the rise of perpetual futures — "the 24/7 traded contracts that offer huge leverage and don't settle or expire" — hit again after President Trump's comments on regulating the decentralised exchange Hyperliquid, then fully recovered and rallying. Off Brown's best-stocks list, and carrying the prediction-market share-loss fear he calls legitimate; Renick's counter is that regulation may usher in the join-them phase for venues that "are not typically ones to shy away from supplying where there is customer demand."
In short: Also at its cheapest valuation in 17 years, against an S&P 500 at 26x 2026 consensus — "objectively far superior to the stock market, yet demonstrably cheaper." Petitioned the CFTC (with ICE) to bring Hyperliquid under U.S. regulation and in mid-June sued the CFTC over its May 29 approval of Kalshi's bitcoin perpetual, arguing a perpetual is a swap, not a future. Already runs 24/7 crypto futures and options, launched 24/7 mini Gold futures with 24/7 Oil due by end-August, plus single-stock futures and prediction-market partnerships with FanDuel and FutureSports.
CME is the other great derivatives toll booth — interest-rate, equity-index, energy and agricultural futures — with the same economics as ICE: near-zero cost per extra contract, so volume growth compounds into earnings.
CME is also the most aggressive defender of the regulated model. It petitioned regulators to bring the offshore decentralized exchange Hyperliquid under U.S. rules, and then sued the CFTC over its approval of Kalshi's bitcoin perpetual, arguing that an instrument with no expiry and no delivery is a swap, not a futures contract — and swaps, the commentary reminds you, were the kryptonite of 2008. At the same time it is building the same 24/7 world itself: round-the-clock crypto futures already live, 24/7 gold futures launched, oil coming, single-stock futures, and prediction-market tie-ups with FanDuel. Like ICE, its valuation is the lowest in seventeen years even as the business grows.
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In short: Named with CBOE and ICE as the quality US exchange group that "really got ahead of themselves" and then corrected on the misread perpetual-futures threat — the same high-margin, network-effect, inflation-protected model he calls "great businesses" to own on the drop (he acted on CBOE).
CME is the giant futures exchange (the "Merc"). Polomny groups it with Cboe and ICE as the top US exchanges that had run up too far and then dropped together on the same misread Kalshi/Polymarket news. He praises the whole business model — network effects, fat margins, pricing power that beats inflation — as exactly the kind of quality to buy on an unwarranted sell-off. He acted on Cboe specifically, but the thesis covers the group.
3:49For example, in the last couple weeks, you've seen a major correction in a lot of the exchanges here in the US, CBOE, CME, ICE, the big ones here in the US. What precipitated that? Well, they were very highly valued because we've had a bull market and so CBOE and some of these other things really got ahead of themselves, and then some rules were passed by the SEC allowing for these perpetual futures I think for Kalshi and Polymarket that people interpreted as a threat to the moats for these exchanges. However on further analysis it doesn't appear that that's really the case, which we don't have time to get into.
In short: Named in the exchange peer set (TMX/CME/ICE/BATS/MIAX); thinks newly-approved US Bitcoin perpetual futures are really CFTC swaps — the sell-off in exchanges over them was "illogical."
53:20That is non-proprietary and an AI scrubber could theoretically pull that. So, some of the exchanges took a little bit of a hit around that AI disintermediation story, let's call it, third, fourth quarter of last year. But just last week, the United States approved, um, what are bit a Bitcoin perpetual futures, so perps? And so up these were previously not allowed to be traded in the United States and a lot of people including the CME thinks they're actually swaps which would fall under CFTC regulation and where they're not allowed, but basically
In short: Trimmed by quality funds last quarter. A derivatives-exchange toll in the same family as ICE, MCO and SPGI elsewhere in this archive, but no view is offered here.
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