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Bryden Teich — Follow the Money: How to Profit From the Government Spending Boom

"This is the dominant story." A macro-aware value manager positions a portfolio of durable, self-funding businesses for the global government-spending boom — favouring quality that lives within its cash flow over the AI trade.
2026-JUL-07 · In the Money with Amber Kanwar (host Amber Kanwar) · guest Bryden Teich (CIO, Avenue Investment Management) · ~1h04m · ▶ Watch · transcript · actionable insights
One-line take: Teich's through-line is own durable, consistent businesses that fund their own growth from cash flow — and the macro overlay is the global fiscal-spending boom (US, Canada, Europe all spending; "fiscal is the new ZIRP"), which he treats as bigger than AI. His screen: rank top-quartile quality per sector, favour companies with high returns on capital, prolific buybacks and no dilutive debt/equity-funded acquisitions. Pro picks: AutoZone (resilient auto-parts staple, ~30% drawdown = multiple compression), Toromont (the largest Caterpillar dealer — fiscal build-out + AI datacenter power via its AVL deal), and Alimentation Couche-Tard (7-Eleven overhang gone, organic in-store growth). Core holdings: National Bank (biggest bank position, highest-ROE), Royal Bank (22 yrs), Canadian Natural Resources (only oil name, held since 2014), South Bow (dividend funded by cash flow), Medpace (the "toll booth on pharma R&D"). Watching the beaten-up software/services names — Intuit ("completely mispriced" at ~10–11x if AI doesn't disrupt), Thomson Reuters, Accenture — and the fiscal-beneficiary engineers WSP / Stantec ("not there yet"). Standout negative: Enbridge — "a textbook example of why EBITDA is a bad number," doesn't live within its cash flow. On gold he took profits after the parabolic Jan/Feb move (cut positions in half) but stays a core long-term weight. The endgame worry: US interest expense now exceeds defense or Medicare, long-end rates at generational highs — sustainable only while governments keep borrowing cheaply.

1. Stocks & names mentioned

Stance reflects how each is framed in this interview. Research legend: QT Qualtrim · SA Seeking Alpha · STK Stock Analysis. Canadian primary listings use the Yahoo symbol as the row id (e.g. ATD.TO); research links point at the OTC/US-recognizable symbol. The fiscal reads feed the master macro viewpoints. (Sponsor-read ETF "MIX" is an advertisement, not a Teich pick — intentionally excluded.)

TickerNameResearchViewWhat he saidAt
CNQCanadian Natural ResourcesQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHeld since 2014, Avenue's only oil name (personal holding, disclosed). A low-cost, efficient bellwether you "own and don't think about"; down 20% since March, but debated cuts and kept it — prefers it to Suncor.35:35
ATD.TOAlimentation Couche-TardQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHeld for years (personal holding, disclosed). The 7-Eleven overhang (a huge equity/debt deal he disliked) is gone; now focused on organic US in-store merchandising. Prudent debt-funded M&A they pay down, buybacks + heavy family ownership.1:00:50
AZOAutoZoneQT · SA · STK · FAPositivePro pick #1, held since 2020. Resilient consumer staple — a proxy for car age (~13 yrs) and stable miles driven, with flat-to-shrinking store supply, prolific buybacks and zero acquisitions ever. Down ~30% = multiple compression, "a very interesting point."54:00
TIH.TOToromont IndustriesQT · SA · STK · FAPositivePro pick #2, held 3 yrs. The largest publicly traded Caterpillar dealer — embedded in the fiscal build-out ("either Caterpillar or John Deere on every site"). Its AVL Manufacturing deal builds AI-datacenter backup-power modules. Now in the "good problem bucket" — high expectations/multiple.57:49
NA.TONational Bank of CanadaQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveAvenue's biggest bank position ("small but mighty"). Consistently the highest-ROE Canadian bank over 10 yrs; cleaned up legacy oil & gas loans, strong Quebec franchise + Canadian Western/Laurentian deals. ~17x — deserves a premium multiple for earnings quality.49:19
RYRoyal Bank of CanadaQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHeld 22 years (since 2004) — the "crown multiple" bank. Avoided the acquisition troubles other banks hit; strong core banking/wealth/capital-markets. "Always expensive," owned as a durable core alongside National Bank.52:07
MEDPMedpace HoldingsQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHeld ~1 yr; the healthcare pick. Runs clinical-trial sites for pharma/biotech — the "toll booth on R&D spending": high-FCF, high-margin, low-capital, buys back stock aggressively. Results track VC-funding cycles; AI likely a net positive via more R&D. ~$10B cap.32:17
SOBOSouth BowQT · SA · STK · FAPositiveHeld; the Keystone liquids pipeline spun from TC Energy. Pure-play that funds its dividend from cash flow (sustainable) with low capex needs — spun with higher-than-ideal debt. Prairie/Keystone-XL growth "nice to have" only if funded internally, not by equity.38:01
INTUIntuitQT · SA · STK · FANeutralNot owned but "the most interesting" beaten-up software name — 80% gross margins, near-zero capital needs (QuickBooks/Mailchimp/tax). At ~10–11x earnings "completely mispriced" if profitability holds; "a fair price" if AI disrupts. Time will tell.29:50
TRIThomson ReutersQT · SA · STK · FANeutralNot owned, actively looking. Stable legal/tax/accounting software but priced "bulletproof"; multiple has to reset as AI and lost pricing power bite. Strong FCF/buybacks make sub-10x "way too low" — figuring out the right multiple.26:00
ACNAccentureQT · SA · STK · FANeutralNot owned; the closest comp to Reuters. At risk as clients revisit consulting budgets and use AI to need fewer consultants — "pricing power is gone." High-margin (~20% ROC) but multiple-pressure ahead.29:12
SUSuncor EnergyQT · SA · STK · FANeutralNot owned; new CEO (Rich Kruger) "did a great job," benefited from the refining crack-spread blowout. "Would have been nice to own," but prefers CNQ's low-cost profile — buying a full position here is "buying a parabolic."36:52
WSP.TOWSP GlobalQT · SA · STK · FANeutralNot owned, on the watch list. Engineering/construction consultant — a fiscal-spend beneficiary down ~30% on AI fears. Was expensive, a recent debt-funded acquisition; needs "another bigger fiscal push" to re-rate. "Not there yet."46:52
STNStantecQT · SA · STK · FANeutralNot owned; the WSP peer he "favours at the outset" for better returns on capital. Same fiscal tailwind + AI overhang; both need the next big infrastructure push to move again.48:33
BSXBoston ScientificQT · SA · STK · FANeutralNot owned; dominant medtech hit by Watchman-product issues. Growth moderating after the post-COVID surgery surge → multiple compression; lands in the "too hard for us" bucket.30:53
GEHCGE HealthCareQT · SA · STK · FANeutralNot owned; down on margins & order growth. Dominant device franchise but slowing growth → de-rating risk; "too hard" bucket alongside the medtech peers.31:01
SYKStrykerQT · SA · STK · FANeutralReferenced as a dominant, high-touch medtech franchise sharing the post-COVID growth-moderation / multiple-compression dynamic. Not owned.31:24
ORLYO'Reilly AutomotiveQT · SA · STK · FANeutralAutoZone's main competitor — "a great stock, a great business." Part of the flat-supply, resilient auto-parts retail theme (stronger in commercial). Referenced, not owned.55:17
CASYCasey's General StoresQT · SA · STK · FANeutralThe "parabolic" best-in-class US convenience/gas experience — the bar Couche-Tard is chasing on in-store merchandising. Referenced, not owned.1:02:06
CATCaterpillarQT · SA · STK · FANeutral"We could own Caterpillar," but prefers the dealer (Toromont) for resilience. CAT/John Deere equipment is on every North American construction and data-center build site — a quasi-AI play.59:00
DEDeere & CoQT · SA · STK · FANeutralThe other equipment name on "any construction site"; a quasi-AI/data-center build play. Referenced alongside Caterpillar, not owned.58:34
TRPTC EnergyQT · SA · STK · FANeutralPreviously owned; the parent that spun off South Bow. Referenced re: the spin history and the broader pipeline-funding discussion.38:08
NKENikeQT · SA · STK · FANeutralCited as a discretionary-consumer name hurt in the K-shaped economy when fiscal support flows to essentials, not discretionary. Illustrative reference.15:13
GISGeneral MillsQT · SA · STK · FANeutralCited alongside Nike as a consumer name under pressure — illustrates the "discretionary hurt vs essentials supported" K-shaped split. Illustrative reference.15:13
SVNDYSeven & i Holdings (7-Eleven)SA · STKNeutralThe failed Couche-Tard takeover target; the deal would have required a huge equity/debt raise Teich dislikes. Its removal cleared Couche-Tard's overhang. Referenced.1:01:42
CRRFYCarrefourSA · STKNeutralThe French grocer Couche-Tard earlier tried and abandoned buying; cited as the pattern of large M&A attempts rebuffed by host countries. Referenced.1:01:27
ENBEnbridgeQT · SA · STK · FANegativeNot owned; "a textbook example of why EBITDA is a bad number." Doesn't live within cash flow (capex ~$10B vs ~$5B depreciation; dividend >$8B), >$100B debt, dilutive equity, ~5% ROC vs ~5% debt cost. A great necessity asset but poor economics for equity holders.42:06

Stance = how each name is framed in this interview, not a price rating. The macro substance feeds the master macro viewpoints: the government-spending boom / fiscal dominance, US-dollar debasement & the debt endgame (interest expense > defense/Medicare), and gold & precious metals (took profits after the parabolic move).

2. Talking points

2:07 The setup — durable businesses + the government-spending story

4:51 How Avenue builds a portfolio — rank top-quartile quality per sector

7:02 Canadian banks at record highs — still comfortable

11:37 Fiscal impulse is the biggest story — bigger than AI

14:08 Fiscal as "the new ZIRP" — filtering fiscal out of real earnings

15:02 Three sectors benefiting most — and the K-shaped consumer

16:44 The debt endgame — long rates at highs, funding the short end

18:33 Why not "all golded up"? Took profits after the parabola

20:48 Underweight the AI trade — own the value chain, not the boom-bust

22:09 Contrarian in software — profitable names at risk of AI disruption

26:00 Thomson Reuters — looking; the multiple must reset

29:12 Accenture & Intuit — pricing power gone; Intuit most interesting

30:53 Medtech "too hard" — Medpace is the healthcare pick

35:22 Canadian Natural Resources — own it and don't think about it

37:36 South Bow — a dividend funded by cash flow

41:04 Enbridge — the textbook case against EBITDA

46:52 WSP Global & Stantec — fiscal beneficiaries, but "not there yet"

49:19 National Bank — small but mighty

53:34 Pro pick 1 — AutoZone

57:49 Pro pick 2 — Toromont

1:00:50 Pro pick 3 — Alimentation Couche-Tard

3. In plain English

A jargon-free summary of the thesis behind each argued name — what it is and why he holds the stance. (Plain-language companion to the table above; renders on each name's consolidated page.)

CNQ — Canadian Natural Resources Positive

Canadian Natural Resources is one of Canada's largest oil producers. Teich has owned it since 2014 and it's the only pure oil name in the portfolio — so when the stock ran up he thought about trimming, but cutting it would have shrunk his oil exposure to a token ~2%, too little. His view: it's a low-cost, highly efficient "bellwether" you buy and stop worrying about. It's down 20% since March, and he prefers it to rival Suncor because of that low-cost profile and its ability to make money across oil-price cycles.

ATD.TO — Alimentation Couche-Tard Positive

Couche-Tard runs convenience stores and gas stations worldwide (it owns Circle K). Teich has held it for years. For a while the stock was weighed down by its attempt to buy Japan's 7-Eleven — a deal that would have required issuing a lot of new stock and debt, which he dislikes. That bid is now dead (like an earlier abandoned run at France's Carrefour), lifting the overhang, and management is back to growing the existing business by improving what's sold in the stores. He likes that they fund acquisitions with debt they then pay down, buy back their own shares, and the founding family still owns a big stake — so management's interests line up with shareholders'.

AZO — AutoZone Positive

AutoZone sells car parts to do-it-yourself repairers. Teich has held it since 2020 because demand barely moves with the economy: it tracks how old cars are (the average US car is ~13 years old and off warranty) and how much people drive (very steady). The number of parts retailers is flat-to-shrinking while that demand grows — a good setup. The company is a buyback machine (it has repurchased its entire market value several times over since the 1990s) and has never made an acquisition. The stock is down ~30% mostly on a shrinking valuation rather than falling profits, which he sees as an attractive entry.

TIH.TO — Toromont Industries Positive

Toromont is the biggest publicly traded dealer of Caterpillar heavy equipment in Canada — think the company that sells and services the machines on every road and construction site in eastern Canada. That makes it a direct beneficiary of the government infrastructure-spending boom without having to bet on any one manufacturer. He'd rather own the dealer than Caterpillar itself. A recent deal for AVL Manufacturing added a fast-growing line making the enclosures for backup power at AI data centers — so it's now a fiscal play and an AI play. His only caution: after a strong run, expectations and the valuation are high, leaving less room for error.

NA.TO — National Bank of Canada Positive

National Bank is Avenue's largest bank holding. A decade ago it was an afterthought — a Quebec-focused lender that got hurt by oil-and-gas loans in 2015–16. Since then it cleaned up that exposure and has consistently earned the highest return on equity of the Canadian banks, helped by smart acquisitions (Canadian Western Bank and Laurentian's Quebec retail business). It trades around 17x earnings, which isn't cheap, but Teich argues it deserves a premium because the quality and consistency of its earnings are the best in the group.

RY — Royal Bank of Canada Positive

Royal Bank is Canada's largest bank, and Teich has owned it for 22 years — since 2004. It has always carried a premium ("crown") valuation and has always been "expensive," but it avoided the acquisition missteps that tripped up some rivals, and its core banking, wealth-management and capital-markets businesses are all strong. He holds it as a durable core position alongside National Bank, picking two quality banks rather than owning the whole sector.

MEDP — Medpace Holdings Positive

Medpace runs the clinical trials that drug companies need to test new medicines — it operates the sites and facilities. Teich calls it the "toll booth on R&D spending": it collects fees as pharma and biotech spend on research, without the risks of drug pricing, regulation, or device competition. It's a high-cash-flow, high-margin business that needs very little reinvestment, so it piles up cash and aggressively buys back stock (10% of shares in one stretch). Its results swing with how much venture-capital money is flowing into biotech, and he thinks AI likely means more drug research over time, which helps it.

SOBO — South Bow Positive

South Bow owns the Keystone crude-oil pipeline system, spun out of TC Energy. Teich likes it because it's a simple, pure-play pipeline that doesn't need much ongoing capital spending, so it can pay its dividend entirely out of cash flow — making that dividend safe. It came out of the spin-off with more debt than ideal. There's a possible growth project (a Prairie connector reviving part of Keystone XL to the US border), but he only wants it if the company can fund it from its own cash — not by selling new shares, which he avoids.

INTU — Intuit Neutral

Intuit makes small-business and tax software — QuickBooks, Mailchimp, TurboTax. Teich calls it the most interesting of the beaten-down software names because it's extraordinarily profitable (80% gross margins) and needs almost no capital. The catch is AI: for years these companies raised prices every year, and now that pricing power is fading. At roughly 10–11x earnings, he says the stock is "completely mispriced" (too cheap) if the profitability holds — but only "fair" if AI seriously disrupts the business. He doesn't own it; he's waiting to see how that plays out.

TRI — Thomson Reuters Neutral

Thomson Reuters sells legal, tax and accounting software and information — long treated by the market as a "bulletproof" business at a high valuation. Teich is looking at it after a big drop but not yet buying. His worry isn't that customers rip it out; it's that the next generation of companies starts with an AI-native tool and never adopts it, and that its ability to raise prices is gone. Still, it generates lots of cash and can buy back more than half its shares over a decade, so he thinks a valuation below 10x earnings would be too cheap — the market is still working out the right number.

ENB — Enbridge Negative

Enbridge is the big Canadian pipeline company. Teich doesn't own it and uses it as his textbook example of why "EBITDA" (a profit measure that ignores interest, taxes and the wear-and-tear charge) is misleading. The plain math: it earns about $11B of cash flow but spends ~$9.5B on projects and pays ~$8B in dividends — a shortfall it fills by borrowing (debt is now over $100B) and issuing new shares. Its reported depreciation (~$5B) is only half its real spending (~$10B), so EBITDA flatters the picture. When a business earns about 5% on its capital while paying about 5% on its debt and grows by acquisition, the economics don't work for shareholders — even though the stock has done well. A great, necessary asset; a poor deal for equity holders in his view.


Summary & timestamps derived from the public YouTube video (transcript in transcript.txt) for personal study. Not investment advice. © In the Money with Amber Kanwar & Bryden Teich / Avenue Investment Management for source material.