In short: Owns it, through the 2022 near-98% crash: co-founder/CEO Ernie Garcia is "so obviously the absolute epitome of the kind of founder building a business into his life's work" — the business-model doubt "has been put to bed by now." Asked about a "Goldilocks" 20% growth rate, Garcia replied the CEO who said that "wanted to be home by 6:00."
Carvana sells used cars online and delivers them. In 2022 its shares fell about 98% and many expected bankruptcy; Vinall held on, and it later recovered strongly. His reason is mostly the person running it: co-founder Ernie Garcia, whom he sees as the textbook case of a founder who has made the company his life's work and is fiercely competitive.
He thinks the old doubts about whether the business model works have been settled. His remaining puzzle is why so many investors still distrust Garcia.
53:10The fact that you were able to see something in him that maybe the market and conventional opinion wasn't seeing. — Yeah. To my dying day I will never understand why Ernie Garcia is the polarizing figure he is. He is just, to me at any rate, so obviously the absolute epitome of the kind of founder building a business into his life's work that I just can't for the life of me understand how anyone could reach a different conclusion.
In short: Daniel/Collins short: an online used-car seller that finances the (largely subprime) loans, with "between 75 and 100%" of pre-tax income from gain on sale. Ally pays 102–104, yet the average gain on sale has been "109, 110," so a "mystery buyer" pays "north of 110" — allegedly Mark Walter's Delaware Life, whose related-party share jumped to 30–40%. "The market believes" Walter's "no fraud" statement — "I got squeezed." ~30–40× earnings "for a used car company"; "a lot of their profits are probably artificial… but proving that is going to be impossible."
Carvana sells used cars online and lends buyers the money, often to people with weak credit. It then sells those loans to investors. Most of its profit comes from selling a loan for more than it lent ("gain on sale").
The partners' puzzle: a known buyer, Ally, pays about $102 to $104 for every $100 of loans, yet Carvana's average sale price is around $109 to $110. So someone must be paying well over $110, which is unusually generous. Short sellers suspect Delaware Life, an insurer linked to a big Carvana shareholder. If so, Carvana's profits may be propped up. Proving it is hard, the owner denies wrongdoing, and Collins lost money when the stock jumped.
36:14— Ernie Garcia Senior. So they sell used cars. They finance the sale of those cars. a good portion of those loans are subprime in nature. — Okay. — And the majority of their profits, almost all of their profits, — a good portion of their pre-tax income between 75 and 100% from gain on sale.
In short: Short — he shorted Carvana ~6 months ago (after taking it off his "permanent do-not-short list") and covered when the big short report hit a couple weeks back, "I guess too soon." Deep, deep suspicion rooted in his subprime-auto-finance insider experience; asked if it could be "this cycle's Enron slash WorldCom," he's thought so for 5–10 years.
Carvana is the online used-car retailer (the car "vending machines"). This is Sy's short — a bet the stock falls. He'd previously sworn off shorting it after losing money trying, but took it off his do-not-short list about six months ago, shorted it, then closed the bet ("covered") when a critical research report came out — admitting he probably did so too early. His suspicion runs deep and comes from having worked inside a subprime auto-lending company: he simply doesn't understand how Carvana's numbers work and has wondered for years whether it could be "this cycle's Enron or WorldCom" (famous accounting blow-ups). He stresses this isn't a short-selling presentation, so it's more a strong cautionary view than a fleshed-out pitch.
In short: An "almost usury" subprime-auto lender (~27% APRs, gain-on-sale to hedge funds) and a Trump-deregulation winner — overvalued, but it only blows up if unemployment hits 6–7%, so a short needs a catalyst; wouldn't press it with the economy strong.
Carvana sells used cars online and, crucially, lends to the buyers — often at sky-high rates (~27%) to people with weak credit, then sells those loans to hedge funds and books the gains up front. The house thinks it's overvalued and a deregulation winner under Trump.
But it's not a short here: with half its revenue from fees and lending, it only really breaks if unemployment spikes to 6–7% and those borrowers stop paying — which isn't happening while the economy is strong. So a short would need a clear catalyst first.
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