In short: Wapner pulls the chart mid-segment on a Wolfe Research note that the IGV is well positioned over the near-to-mid term to retest its highs — 118: "I don't know if people realize that it's not that far away from its highs." Terranova: "the signature of that move is Palantir." The software complex is the destination of the capital leaving momentum.
The IGV is a basket of software stocks, and Wolfe Research says it is well positioned to retest its highs around 118 in the near-to-medium term. Wapner's point is that most people have not noticed how close it already is.
Why this matters beyond the ETF itself: Terranova says the money leaving semiconductor and AI-hardware names has been landing in software. Watching a sector basket rather than individual names is the cleanest way to check whether that rotation is real or just a couple of stocks moving.
In short: "It's been entertaining to see socks [SOX] and IGV basically have a negative one correlation" — the cleanest evidence that the software rally is substantially the unwind of long-AI / short-software pairs rather than a verdict that software isn't disruptable.
4:03As much as the big deleveraging event has happened, degrossing is still happening across the whole hedge fund complex. — It's been entertaining to see socks and IGV basically have a negative one correlation. That does suggest that there's clearly a technical element to this that some bad news for AI leads into it and ServiceNow and Salesforce stocks go up several percent.
In short: The instrument that measures the rotation, and it has already paid. The crowded positioning was long semis, short software "on the belief that AI will displace many point-solution software companies. This is why the SOX index is up 62% year to date, and IGV is still up only 4% year to date versus the S&P up 13%. Situational Awareness was the poster child for this type of positioning." Then the unwind: "since the unwinding of the momentum trade, which started on June 22nd… IGV has rallied 25%, which is unbelievable, while SOX is actually down 22%." Corroborated by the factor data — the Morgan Stanley momentum long-minus-short index −36% from June 22 to August 28 "even after its bounce in August," and the concentrated TMT sleeve −54%.
IGV is a fund holding a basket of American software companies. It matters here as a measuring instrument rather than as a stock pick, because it is one half of the most crowded trade of the year: buy semiconductors, sell software, on the theory that AI enriches the chipmakers and destroys the software firms.
For most of the year that worked. The semiconductor index was up 62% while IGV was up only 4%, against 13% for the market as a whole. Then, from 22 June, the trade unwound — largely because the funds running it in size, most famously Situational Awareness, were forced to close their positions. Since that date IGV has risen 25% while the semiconductor index has fallen 22%.
That is a 47-point swing in a little over two months, and the factor data confirms it was positioning rather than fundamentals: Morgan Stanley's index measuring the gap between what momentum funds were long and what they were short fell 36%, and the concentrated technology version fell 54%.
The point Singh takes from it is not that software is cheap but that a consensus view held with borrowed money produces a violent reversal when it is unwound — and the reversal itself creates the entry point in the names on the wrong side of it.
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In short: The chart he points to when naming the call he got wrong: "we were very early… if you look at the IGV ETF, you can kind of see what I'm saying" — a 35% December-to-February drawdown, a dead-cat bounce, −15% into April, a rally into June, then another 25% drawdown into July. The thesis paid; the path was almost untradeable.
This fund holds a basket of software stocks, and he pulls it up as the picture of the call he got wrong. The thesis — that software had been crushed by hedge-fund hedging and would recover — was right. The path was brutal: down 35%, a false bounce, down 15% more, a big rally he sold into, then another 25% drawdown before it finally worked.
The lesson he draws is about survival rather than analysis: being early on a good idea is indistinguishable from being wrong unless you can hold the position, which is why he hedged with a short index position and never used borrowed money.
40:04And why? — I think one call that we got wrong was we were very early to, and we started to buy the software names in March, and it was very — if you look at the IGV ETF, you can kind of see what I'm saying. We saw huge valuation resets in the software space. And for a long period, from March, you saw a drawdown of about 15% into April, and then we saw a massive rally into June, we sold, and then we rebought in July, but it was very difficult to trade that. From December
In short: The vehicle for the LBO-floor argument: the Workday take-private "will provide some support to the software ETF, IGV, and software names." IGV is down 6% on the year against the S&P up 20%, and software has been rallying since the Situational Awareness liquidation unwound its long-semis / short-software book.
IGV is a basket of software stocks, and it is the cleanest way to express the floor argument. The sector is down 6% this year against a market up 20%, because investors fear AI will eat software revenue. Two forces are now pushing the other way: a private equity firm bidding for one of its largest members, and the forced unwinding of a hedge fund that had been shorting software while buying semiconductors.
Singh's point is that the second force is mechanical rather than fundamental. When a fund with a large short position in software is liquidated, someone has to buy those shares back regardless of the business outlook — which is why one holding, Atlassian, rallied 35% in a week.
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In short: The show's second big argument, and the desk splits. The index was up 8.5% last week; Jonathan Krinsky: "reports of software's death have been greatly exaggerated"; Goldman: "we're at the beginning of a multi-quarter fundamental inflection point." Terranova sees exactly his favourite pattern — "a market that wants to hunt for the alpha in areas where you can identify an equity name as a laggard and you see new momentum, and in technology it's clearly in software" — but won't buy it: coming IPOs (Anthropic, Databricks, OpenAI) mean "significant disintermediation and disruption," short of the "software apocalypse" but enough that he prefers staying in semis/semi-equipment. Amoroso takes the other side: "fundamentals of software are still intact, earnings growth is running about 22% — I would be slowly pivoting to software" as bottlenecks resolve. Renick's options read: traders bought twice as many calls as puts, but the most popular directional trade was selling puts — aggressive bullish positioning.
IGV is the fund that tracks the software sector, and it was up 8.5% last week — the episode's second big argument. The bulls: technician Jonathan Krinsky says "reports of software's death have been greatly exaggerated," Goldman says the industry is at "the beginning of a multi-quarter fundamental inflection point," and Anastasia Amoroso is "slowly pivoting to software," pointing out its earnings are still growing about 22% and arguing software is the ultimate winner when chip shortages ease and prices fall.
Joe Terranova takes the other side, and his reasoning is worth separating from his conclusion. He recognises the pattern — a beaten-down sector where new buying momentum appears is exactly what he hunts. He just won't act on it here, because Anthropic, Databricks and OpenAI are all approaching public listings, and he expects them to take real business away from established software vendors ("significant disintermediation and disruption"), even if it never reaches the "software apocalypse" the market feared earlier this year. He'd rather stay in semiconductors and semiconductor equipment.
The options market is firmly with the bulls: traders bought twice as many calls as puts, and the single most popular trade was selling puts — collecting cash in exchange for agreeing to buy the fund if it falls, which is what you do when you believe the downside is limited.
In short: Talkington's structural call, off two "seminal moments" last week. First Microsoft: rallying ~130 points in a week while Satya said "models need to be swappable" and conceded they are spending far more on CapEx than they're making — with cloud acceleration across all three big hyperscalers. "Looking at the IGV, software [is] continuing to make higher lows, and I think we're seeing this broadening — all these application companies, and Microsoft is at the epicenter, the ultimate SaaS company, ultimately are going to be where you make money as these commodity models get commoditized." Second, the Situational Awareness blow-up: "he clearly wasn't aware of the risk of leverage," and the forced-margin washout on top of Microsoft's print showed "this CapEx is here to stay, but software's not going away. It's been a really great reset in the market." Her forward view: "the market's like peak-OpenAI valuations, and maybe software and NVIDIA are going to start ramping up… I still think the LLMs ultimately get commoditized and smart software companies are where the money's made."
Bryn Talkington's structural call on software rests on an idea worth understanding: the AI models themselves are becoming commodities. Satya Nadella's comment that "models need to be swappable" is the tell — if a company can swap one AI model for another underneath its product, then no model provider has lasting pricing power, and the value accrues to the applications built on top. "All these application companies, and Microsoft is at the epicenter, the ultimate SaaS company, ultimately are going to be where you make money as these commodity models get commoditized."
The chart supports her: the software index keeps making higher lows. And the violent July unwind — a leveraged hedge fund forced out of positions — she reads as a cleansing rather than a warning: it proved that the AI capital spending is here to stay "but software's not going away. It's been a really great reset."
In short: Brown's evidence for how violent the software round trip has been: in April the index was 37% off its highs, and it has now recovered to within ~16% (the transcript garbles the comparison) — "think about what a comeback we've seen in software." It matters because the blown-up hedge fund "was not only long memory, it was short software, and those shorts went against [them]" — the squeeze that turned a leverage unwind into the largest single-fund dollar trading loss he can recall. Market color, no committee position.
In short: "The software ETF" — messy; the worst may be past and it has mean-reverted to its 200/50-day, but the chart "is not telling you it's time to buy," just a reprieve from oversold. Speculation only — if you take a flyer, structure it with options and respect stops; "you're a speculator, not a buyer of the group."
IGV is the software-sector ETF — a basket of software companies. Sohn calls the chart "messy." The worst may be behind it: it has bounced and "mean-reverted" (drifted back) to its 200-day and 50-day moving averages, the lines traders use to judge the medium-term trend.
But he is explicit that this is a reprieve from very oversold, negative sentiment, not a buy signal. If you want to play it, do it as a defined-risk speculation — structure it with options so the premium you pay is your maximum loss, and respect your stop-loss. "You're a speculator, not a buyer of the group." Software is also the one part of tech he keeps flagging as "a real problem" inside an otherwise-dominant sector.
4:16Software ETF — a little messy. Could make the case the worst is past for software stocks; they've had a nice rally and mean-reverted back to their 200-day / 50-day moving averages. Not something I feel great about — if you take a flyer, respect your stop-loss levels. This chart is not telling you it's time to buy; it's a reprieve from very oversold, negative sentiment. A great use of the options market — structure a trade where I pay my premium and that's my risk. You're a speculator, not a buyer of the group.
In short: The sector "everyone thought AI killed" has gone from slow recovery to "sharp and surging" — IGV +6.25% on Friday. Thomas flags software as an under-the-radar opportunity outside the AI-euphoria spotlight, and a useful risk barometer.
IGV is a basket of software-company stocks. For a couple of years the worry was that AI would kill traditional software — why pay for an app when an AI agent can just do the task? That fear left the whole sector cheap and ignored. Thomas's point is that the narrative has flipped: software has gone from a slow, quiet recovery to a sharp surge (the ETF jumped 6.25% in a single day), and almost nobody is talking about it because all the attention is on chips and AI. That makes it an "under-the-radar" opportunity — a place where you can find strength outside the crowded AI-euphoria trade — and a handy barometer of how much risk appetite is sloshing around the market.
In short: The failing bubble sector. The software ETF he flagged (ROS) weeks ago is now in "a historic crash." Friday's rally barely bounced it despite off-the-charts call volume — "some names did not even bounce, and they really should have." The leading edge of the rolling VaR shock.
IGV is a basket (ETF) of software stocks — Paulo uses it to track the whole software group at once. Weeks earlier he'd flagged it as rolling over; now he says the sector is in "a historic crash." His most worrying tell is that on a strong up-day for the market (Friday), these software names barely bounced — even though a big bounce is exactly what you'd expect after a sharp fall. When beaten-down stocks can't rally on good days, it usually means something deeper is wrong. He thinks software is the "failing sector" whose collapse marks the real start of a bear market.
In short: The software-ROS vehicle: "textbook 'ROS'" after Anthropic's Claude Cowork triggered a software demolition on commoditization fears — just as some HFs had rotated into software as AI "adopters/deployers." The basket he's watching break.
IGV is a basket (ETF) of software stocks, and Paulo uses it to short the whole software group at once. The trigger: Anthropic released "Claude Cowork," an AI tool that investors fear could replace or cheapen a lot of the subscription software (SaaS) that companies pay for — so those stocks began to break down together. He calls the chart a "textbook" example of his Rollover Syndrome, and points to individual members leading the fall (Workday, ServiceNow, Datadog, Intuit, Autodesk), with CrowdStrike and Palo Alto not far behind. The bet is that AI turns from a tailwind into a threat for legacy software.
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