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Not what he owns — he names nothing — but how he decides. Six tests a 42-year adviser uses to read a bond-led break, and the one rule he gives clients when he can't tell which way it goes.
2026-SEP-09 · The David Lin Report · Peter Grandich (Peter Grandich & Co. · Pete Speaks) · ▶ Watch · full analysis · transcript
How to read this page: Grandich makes no recommendation and holds nothing out to promote, so everything transferable in this interview is method. Each item below is a test he actually runs — a level, a spread relationship, a comparison, or a screen — written so it can be rerun on tomorrow's data rather than filed as a prediction. The boxed line shows how it played out on 2026-09-09. Timestamps deep-link into the video.

Reading the bond market for a break

6:25 1. Set one level as the line in the sand, and define what "through it" means

The repeatable method
  1. Pick the single price that carries the regime — for the current cycle, the US 10-year yield. Not a basket, not a composite: one number you can check daily without interpretation.
  2. Name the level in advance and say why it matters. Here: 5%, the round number the market itself watches and the level at which he thinks the marginal holder capitulates.
  3. Define the confirmation, not just the touch. An intraday print is noise. His rule is above the level and staying there "for more than a couple of days" — a duration condition that filters the head-fake he explicitly allows for ("I still think it's questionable whether it can get through it or not").
  4. Write down the consequence before it triggers, so the reaction is not improvised: bond crisis → tremendous additional selling → the weight transfers to equities.
  5. Trace the transmission channel explicitly rather than assuming contagion. His channel is specific: the AI buildout is funding itself in debt instruments, so a repriced credit market is a direct constraint on the sector holding the index up.
  6. Keep the level fixed until the thesis changes, not until the market makes you uncomfortable. He has held this framework since the end of 2021.
Here: the 10-year was at 4.83% on the morning of the interview (0:17) — 17bp from the line — with the three-month bill at 3.91% and the VIX near 15, i.e. no crisis premium priced anywhere. "If for any reason we get above 5% on the 10-year and stay there for more than a couple of days, I just think we have a huge, huge bond crisis."
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6:56 2. The junk-vs-Treasury spread round trip as a dated sell signal

The repeatable method
  1. Start from an extreme in the spread, not from a view on the economy. In early 2025 the junk-to-Treasury spread was "one of the largest" — the observation that begins the trade.
  2. State the expected path as a round trip: from an unusually wide spread, expect compression. That compression is the return you are being paid for owning the credit risk.
  3. Pre-commit the exit to the spread level, not to a date or a headline. "If it gets to where it's close to Treasuries you're going to want to sell junk bonds too." When you are no longer compensated for the credit risk, the position is finished regardless of how the economy looks.
  4. Note the asymmetry that makes this work: at a compressed spread, junk gives you Treasury-like yield with equity-like downside. There is no third outcome that rewards holding.
  5. Apply the same logic to any spread product — the discipline is "am I still being paid for this risk?", asked against a level set when the position was opened.
  6. Size the conclusion by market size, not by headlines: "the bond market is so much bigger than the general equity market and has such a more importance to the economy than the stock market."
Here: he had already exited Treasuries and posted the spread chart before the interview began. The round trip he called at the beginning of 2025 has completed, so the second half of the instruction is now live: sell junk. "The bond market has substantial losses for a wide spectrum of people."
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15:06 3. Test an asset against the job it is supposed to do, on total return

The repeatable method
  1. Write down the function the asset performs in the portfolio, in plain words. His industry's version, taught 42 years ago: "you buy stocks to try to make money and you buy bonds to save your money."
  2. Measure whether it has actually done that job over the holding period — on total return including the coupon, never on yield alone, and never on the quarterly mark.
  3. If the answer is no over a multi-year stretch, treat it as a regime change rather than a drawdown. A capital-preservation asset that loses capital is no longer that asset, whatever the label says.
  4. Ask what replaces the function, not what replaces the ticker. That is a different and more useful question — and its answer here is gold, not a different bond.
  5. Watch for the compounding failure: if the asset that was supposed to be safe is losing money and the risk asset stops compensating, "you have a double whammy" — the scenario the standard allocation cannot survive.
Here: "Anybody that's purchased Treasury bonds since the end of '21 to now, including the dividend yield, has actually lost money. It's unheard of." He acted on the same reasoning at the time, taking a ~$2bn planning group out of Treasuries at end-2021 — "one of the best calls of my career" — on the single premise that rates could only go up, and a lot.
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Reading policy against fiscal reality

13:31 4. Judge inflation against the growth it sits on, not against the target

The repeatable method
  1. Never read a CPI print in isolation. Pair it with the growth rate and score the pair, not the number.
  2. Use his ranking directly: "3% inflation in a moderate to slow economy is actually worse than 5% inflation in a strong economy." The lower print is the worse outcome when growth is weak, because there is no real income growth absorbing it.
  3. Name the resulting regime out loud — stagflation — because it is the one configuration in which the standard policy responses each make the other problem worse.
  4. Check the print's vintage against current inputs before trusting it. A survey period that closed before an energy move is stale by construction; "since then inflation's even become stronger because we've had such a big bump up in key things like oil, gas, diesel."
  5. Weight the inputs by how broadly they propagate. Diesel is his example and it is chosen deliberately: nearly all goods move by truck, so diesel enters almost every price with a lag.
  6. Conclude about policy space, not about the market. In a stagflation reading the case for cuts collapses even though every visible symptom argues for stimulus.
Here: Lin makes the intuitive case for low rates — energy up, living costs up, debt piling up. Grandich's answer is the inversion above, delivered against two inflation prints still to come and oil back above $100 (38:29), with the following month's numbers likely worse than the ones being reported.
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14:20 5. Ask who funds the deficit before asking what the Fed should do

The repeatable method
  1. Start with the funding question, not the growth question: who is buying the debt, and is that buyer growing or shrinking? "People who used to purchase that debt are buying less of it."
  2. If foreign demand is receding, the policy rate stops being purely a demand-management tool and becomes a funding tool. "In order to attract that capital, we have to have a better interest rate differential."
  3. Therefore consider the counter-intuitive branch seriously: a hike can be forced by the financing need even into a weak economy. "So the Fed has really no choice."
  4. Score the alternative too, which is the step most people skip. His conclusion is that not hiking is more dangerous: long rates rise anyway and the failure is then visibly out of the central bank's control — "that can really start a dramatic sell-off" (9:32).
  5. Check whether the Fed and Treasury are pulling the same way. They are supposed to be "on the same playing field, and right now they're not": Treasury is shortening duration to cheapen the paper while a hike would raise the cost of exactly that short paper (13:13).
  6. Price the credibility term separately from the arithmetic: a hike also buys standing with bond vigilantes by demonstrating independence from political pressure — a reason to act that has nothing to do with inflation.
Here: CME FedWatch had a hike at roughly 60% and moving (11:54). Grandich calls the decision a coin toss but says the market reaction is asymmetric — "I actually think it's going to be a negative if they don't raise rates" — and adds the political consequence: if they do hike, "I can't imagine how fast Trump will throw Kevin Warsh under the bus" (7:50).
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Positioning

30:05 6. Screen on ownership, not on price — and specify the rung

The repeatable method
  1. Measure a sector's share of total investor ownership relative to every other sector, and compare that to where it has been historically. This is a positioning measure, not a valuation measure, and it says who is left to buy.
  2. Look for the divergence that makes it actionable: ownership at a record low while the fundamental argument is at its strongest. Either the argument is wrong or the ownership is about to change.
  3. Specify which rung of the sector you mean. He is emphatic and it matters: "not little juniors trying to find something" — major producing companies, base or precious metals. The screen is about a re-rating from generalist flows, and generalists buy producers.
  4. Corroborate the fundamental leg with physical evidence rather than forecasts — a buyer who cannot fill an order is worth more than a supply model.
  5. Expect the re-rating to arrive via narrative and set a rough clock on it: "you'll start to see the financial media a year or so from now talking about mining in the way they started talking about technology a few years ago."
  6. Apply the conviction test before sizing: is this a position you would hold through a lower price? "That's the one area where I would not be afraid to own things that are going to go down lower in price" (42:49). If the answer is no, the conviction is not real.
Here: "This ownership of them versus the rest of the market is at the lowest level ever… People own the least amount relating to mining now versus all other sectors in the modern era at a time when the arguments for metals have never been stronger." The physical corroboration is tungsten: the US Army went out to buy it for military use "and couldn't find any that they could purchase" — offered with an explicit disclaimer, "I don't have a tungsten play. I don't have anything to promote" (31:25).
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29:02 7. Rebuild the 60/40 around the function bonds stopped performing

The repeatable method
  1. When the 40% fails its job (test 3), do not swap within it. Ask what else performs the preservation function in the regime you now think you are in.
  2. Watch what institutions actually do, not what they publish: the observable move is halving the bond sleeve and putting the released 20 points into gold. "Never thought I lived to see the day, but I did."
  3. Check whether the demand is price-insensitive and structural or speculative. The distinction is the whole thesis: sovereign and Asian retail buying "not because one day they hope to sell it and make a profit," but because gold is being built into settlement — that buyer does not sell into weakness (39:58).
  4. Benchmark the switch honestly against what you left: gold has "doubled the performance since then of what the stock market has done," measured from end-2021, and that is the number that justifies staying.
  5. Read the behavioural divergence as confirmation rather than commentary: Asia accumulating physical while "American citizens are running into stores to buy things they don't need with money they don't have."
Here: asked directly what replaces the 40% in a structural bond bear market, he answers that it is already happening — institutions cutting bonds from 40 to 20 and using the rest for gold — and that outside the US gold is being hoarded, with Chinese citizens buying physical in quantity every weekend under government incentive.
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43:51 8. When you cannot resolve the uncertainty, change the objective

The repeatable method
  1. Recognise the condition first: multiple large binary outcomes you cannot handicap (an election, a Fed decision, a war), all inside a two-year window.
  2. Then switch the objective rather than the positions — "now is the time for capital preservation over capital appreciation." The scoring rule changes: "it's not how much you're going to make, it's how much you don't lose."
  3. Apply the same rule to the balance sheet you actually control: build a budget, spend less than you make, "put ourselves in a better position so when the government comes knocking, we've built as good a moat."
  4. Assume the fiscal squeeze reaches households. Governments have exactly two levers — "raise taxes and cut services" — and the base they fall on is already at its limit (17:15).
  5. Distrust the reported cost of living against your own: "costs are much higher than the government has been telling us," and the mandatory surcharges now appearing on utility bills are the visible form of it.
  6. Set the horizon explicitly — he says "over the next couple of years" — so the defensive stance is a decision with an expiry, not a permanent posture.
Here: it is the line he gives prospects and existing clients of a ~$2bn planning group that is mostly retirees, and it is what he offers when Lin asks for the certainties inside all the uncertainty. The only market expression he pairs with it is gold, metals and commodity-related producers — the group he would hold through a lower price.
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Methods distilled from the public YouTube video for personal study. Peter Grandich names no securities in this interview and none is inferred. Not investment advice.