In short: Named only as a peer — a ride option an agent would compare against Uber's denser network.
31:06With Uber, this is far less exposed because while the agent can compare Uber against Lyft, Whimo, Tesla, it can compare all of those together. Ultimately, it's going to go with the best combination of reliability, all your preferences, safety, travel time, all of that, plus price. And Uber already has massive demand density which will make it in most cases the best choice. We have Dualingo.
In short: The next-largest robotaxi network, yet Uber matches its weekly paid trips in ~13 minutes and is adding "multiple Waymos" of trips each quarter.
In short: Expanding, but Uber doesn't need the whole market — "owning a big portion of a gigantic pie is better than owning the entire pie of a very small one."
In short: "The real deal" and Uber's real competitor — 500,000 weekly paid rides — but even in its best markets Uber keeps peak density; he expects share erosion at the edges, not displacement.
In short: Credited as the only proven AV operator and "the real threat" — "very smart… they have Google's backing, so they have a lot of capital" — but structurally slower: ~$100k vehicles with lidar, city mapping, permitting, testing, parking garages and constant maintenance mean "you're scaling a digital business compared to a physical business." Its San Francisco proof point is uniquely favorable (≈2× LA's population density, 4–5× the US top-50 average, ~2× as affluent, ~half the trip distance), so extrapolating it "would be a mistake." Crucially, "nowhere has Waymo knocked them out of critical density." Wins only if Uber takes a full decade to integrate AVs.
Waymo is Alphabet's self-driving business and, in Carlson's words, the only AV company that has actually proven itself — smart, well-funded, and the genuine threat. His argument isn't that Waymo fails; it's that Waymo is scaling a physical business while Uber scaled a digital one, and the two run at different speeds.
Entering a city, Waymo must buy roughly a thousand vehicles at about $100,000 each with sensors, map the entire city in three dimensions, get permits, test the awkward intersections, lease parking and charging space, and then maintain expensive hardware forever. Then it still has to wait years for enough cars on the road that a rider isn't waiting an hour — the same density problem Uber solved a decade ago.
The other caution is about reading too much into San Francisco. It's roughly twice as dense as Los Angeles and four to five times denser than the average large US city, about twice as affluent (so riders will pay the AV premium), and its trips are about half as long. Every one of those makes robot taxis work better there than almost anywhere else. Waymo picked the best possible starting city, and extrapolating those economics across the country overstates the case. The decisive fact for Carlson: even in the cities where Waymo is most mature, it has never pushed Uber below the density level where Uber's service starts to degrade.
In short: The entire Uber bear case, and treated with respect: "Waymo is no joke. It's the real deal. It's scaling rapidly" — fleet growing, entering new cities, and succeeding on its own as well as through the Uber partnership. Carlson's counter is arithmetic and structural, not dismissive: 500,000 rides a week is 17 minutes of Uber volume, and "the challenge for Waymo is they need to have network density in every place that they go" — Miami needs enough Waymos to serve Miami — whereas "Uber has to earn" nothing, it already has the density globally. No view on Waymo as an asset.
10:15The challenge for Waymo is they need to have network density in every place that they go. For example, if they want to make their own Waymo network in Miami, they need to have enough Waymos to service Miami in a timely fashion. So that when you open up the Waymo app, you can get a ride within 10 to 15 minutes. With Uber, they already have the density.
In short: The named robotaxi worry for Uber — "many investors concerned about Waymo and all the other robo taxis" (with Zoox and Tesla in the game). Carlson doesn't dispute the tech; he argues the rideshare market is "incredibly huge" and that Uber can in-house AV supply, so share loss doesn't break the thesis.
16:31Now, the ride sharing has more concerns about it. Many investors concerned about Waymo and all the other robo taxis. We have Zoox. We have Tesla in the game. We have all these companies saying that they're going to be doing ride sharing. But the market for ride sharing is incredibly huge. This is a massive market.
In short: His demand-side proof for memory: "do you know how much memory you need in one Waymo? It's off the charts" — a robotaxi is "a giant supercomputer." Also the concrete example of the autonomous world QNX sells into (and the reason he still chauffeurs his daughter to the mall).
51:54Do you know how much memory you need in one Whimo, right? It's off the charts. Did you just can't throw up, a fab to build? I've been to fabs, right? They're not very easy to build. So, right now, I don't see significant supply coming from memory in the next couple of years.
In short: The headline Uber AV competitor — 500,000 trips/week vs Uber's 3.64B/quarter; "Uber does 570 times plus the trips that Waymo does." Can "try to chip away," but Carlson calls Uber's lead insurmountable.
25:44To put that in perspective, Uber does 570 times plus the trips that Waymo does. Over 570 times. That's a lot more. Now, Waymo, of course, can try to chip away at this, but the lead for Uber I consider insurmountable at this point. It is a massive aggregator of demand. They continue to grow all throughout the world.
In short: The "primary concern" for Uber — excellent self-driving tech that "could choose to go their own way," the reason Uber trades at such a high FCF yield. But Uber's "gargantuan lead" (70% share) makes the share-loss risk small in Carlson's view.
22:20Waymo could choose to go their own way. That poses a threat to the forward-looking growth of Uber, and that is the primary reason that Uber trades at such a low valuation today, such a high free cash flow yield despite its incredible success. It is a question and concern of Waymo, of Zoox, and other robo taxis.
In short: The reference point for Merlin's prize: "a Waymo-like solution but for the skies" — and Waymo alone is worth over $100bn, so the TAM is huge.
In short: The "Waymo kills Uber" bear case rebutted: 500k weekly rides vs Uber's ~24M daily trips (>300:1; ~170:1 even at Waymo's 1M target), and Waymo's own data shows 30% higher utilization dispatched via Uber vs its standalone app. A lead AV partner, not a killer.
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