In short: Named only as one of the big SMR vendors he spoke with (the AP300), alongside GE Vernova and Rolls-Royce, all hearing "we will buy them as fast as you can produce them" plus daily hyperscaler conversations.
24:40So when you're looking at the market, how are you factoring those elements in right now? — Well, right now I am very enthusiastic. I think that the market is severely underestimating the potential impact of SMRs on the demand side and the sector as a whole. I spoke to the big players — your Westinghouse with their AP300, your GE Vernova with the BWRX-300, your Rolls-Royce with their own design, and a few others.
In short: Flatt (24:30): "We supply fuel and engineering services to 60% of the nuclear fleet in the whole world." 14 plants in construction, "another 40 coming shortly, another 100 after that"; nuclear is "a 25-30 year trend" and Westinghouse technology is "dominant." Picker: it has filed confidentially to go public. Flatt declined to comment on Holtec's pulled IPO.
Westinghouse designs nuclear reactors and supplies fuel and engineering services to existing plants. It is not publicly traded yet — Brookfield owns 51% and it has filed privately for an IPO. Flatt describes a pipeline of dozens of new plants over the coming years and calls nuclear's comeback a 25-to-30-year trend, because reactors provide steady, clean power around the clock.
In short: "Probably the best proxy" for the demand-led build-out: the AP1000 pipeline is now 91 reactors globally. Westinghouse "has filed to go public… an obvious name to own as and when you can own it in public markets"; until then, exposure is via Cameco's 49%.
Westinghouse designs the AP1000, a large nuclear reactor that has become the West's standard design, and it earns money on building and then fuelling and servicing each one. About 91 are in the global pipeline. It is private today (Cameco owns 49%), but it has filed to list on the stock market. Finegold calls it "an obvious name to own" once investors can buy it directly.
3:04— For the time being, as you know, Westinghouse has filed to go public, which I guess we're expecting at some point in the near future. And so Westinghouse is an obvious name to own as and when you can own it in public markets. Today, as you say, Cameco has a 49% shareholder, you get your exposure there, and obviously you get your fuel exposure as well.
In short: One of the three main SMR vendors he spoke to (the AP300). He named it again in a "pretty crowded" SMR field where "not everybody's going to make it to that starting line."
38:01So for example, I spoke at the conference to Westinghouse for their AP300. I spoke to G Venoa for their BWRX 300 and I spoke to Rolls-Royce for their SMR design. I spoke to a few others as well, but those are the main ones. So, what you're seeing right now is I think the first major catalyst you will see is the Darlington BWRX300 plant.
In short: Already selling VVER fuel to Europeans leaving Russian supply — Ukraine since 2022, and now Czechia, where the regulator approved Westinghouse fuel for Temelin last week with first assemblies loading this year. Of the two companies competing to get Europe off Russian fuel, it "already has the expertise and the capacity to produce that fuel today without outside assistance." Its CTO also argued at the symposium for a "copy and paste" standardized new build.
Westinghouse is the American reactor and fuel company owned by Cameco and Brookfield. Many reactors in central and eastern Europe are a Russian design (called VVER) and historically could only run on Russian-made fuel. Westinghouse learned to make fuel that fits them, starting with Ukraine after the 2022 invasion, and more countries have followed.
The newest is Czechia: last week the Czech nuclear regulator approved Westinghouse fuel for the Temelin plant, after about five years of testing, with the first fuel going in later this year. Frostad contrasts this with its French rival, which is building a similar fuel plant in Germany using Russian equipment and is now being sued. His verdict: Westinghouse "already has the expertise and the capacity to produce that fuel today without outside assistance." Its technology chief also argued that building identical reactors over and over — "copy and paste" — is how the industry will actually deliver at scale.
7:19Since then, several other central and eastern European utilities making a concerted effort to get off Russian fuel and reactor services have taken Westinghouse up on that offer. The latest is Czechia where the state nuclear safety office approved Westinghouse fuel for use at the Temelin plant just last week with the first assemblies to be loaded during a refueling outage later this year.
In short: "Very enthusiastic about their AP-300 design and the demand building for it in the US"; with the SHANTI Act lifting India's supplier-liability bar, Kovvada's 6 AP1000 units return to the table (foreign vendors can supply but not own plants).
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In short: A development "just this week": South Korea is interested in investing in multiple large US reactors, pairing its own APR-1400 with Westinghouse's AP1000s — "that seems like a good deal. I hope that it goes through."
27:40There was a development just this week that South Korea is interested in investing in building multiple large reactors in the country. They want to include their own APR-1400 in addition to Westinghouse's AP-1000s. That seems like a good deal. I hope that it goes through. The South Koreans are excellent builders of nuclear power plants.
In short: "We've obviously heard about Westinghouse coming public" — along with other nuclear IPOs he calls it "all net positive": the sector is still recapitalizing after 2011–2020 and investors have struggled to get positioned, so more listed choices bring capital in. A sector-flow point, not a view on the company's valuation.
4:09think, is part of the reason why interest in nuclear is coming back. The need for base load power is obviously paramount for running AI data centers. Yes, there's going to be a lot of competition for capital with some of these new IPOs. There's also IPOs coming in the nuclear space. We've obviously heard about Westinghouse coming public, potentially tech coming public.
In short: The incumbent hedging into the new format: it "owns the most advanced large-reactor design on the market today, but has also been testing its own microreactor," plans to deploy some at Army bases, and reached criticality this year alongside Valar, Antares and Aalo. Owned by Cameco and Brookfield Renewable Partners, so the exposure is currently only ownable through them — and it strengthens the July 31 pre-IPO story by adding a second product line to an already profitable business.
Westinghouse is the incumbent — it owns the AP1000, the most advanced large reactor design available, and unlike the startups it earns money today. This article shows it hedging: it has been testing its own microreactor, plans to deploy some at Army bases, and reached criticality this year alongside Valar, Antares and Aalo.
That is a meaningful competitive fact for the startups. The one capability none of them has is experience getting a design through the regulator and into operation, and it is the capability Westinghouse has more of than anyone. If the small format turns out to be a real market, the incumbent has bought itself a seat in it cheaply.
It remains private and pre-IPO, owned by Cameco and Brookfield, so the only way to hold it is through those two. This is the second Westinghouse data point in a month for the archive — the July 31 piece covered its plan to go public at potentially tens of billions — and it strengthens that story by adding a product line to an already profitable business.
In short: The IPO is the session's news hook. Rick reads it as Cameco and its partner conceding they "can't stand that capital infusion on their own balance sheet" for the projected US fleet buildout, and as an expression of confidence that the administration's 10 × 1-gigawatt Westinghouse programme proceeds. Not a recommendation — the verdict is on Cameco: "depending on the price and terms, it's extremely positive."
Westinghouse is the reactor-technology business part-owned by Cameco. It isn't yet something you can buy — the IPO is the event under discussion — so it appears here as context rather than a recommendation.
Rick reads the float two ways at once. It is an admission that the capital needed to build the projected US nuclear fleet is too large for the current owners' balance sheets, and it is a vote of confidence that the government's plan to fund ten 1-gigawatt reactors using Westinghouse technology is real. Whether it's good for outside buyers, he says, comes down entirely to "the price and terms."
21:55They're expressing confidence in that. That will make money for Cameco throughout the Cameco value chain. It will take the Westinghouse engineering earnings off of the Cameco balance sheet and income statement, but it will add back nuclear fuel supply, nuclear fuel processing. It'll add back a lot.
In short: Said Friday it plans to go public. "One of the few nuclear developers that actually makes money, so its IPO could be a blockbuster, potentially valuing the company at tens of billions of dollars" — versus upstart reactor developers already valued in the billions "despite having no approved designs or significant revenue." Owns the AP1000, "the most advanced U.S. design on the market"; plans to start construction on 10 new U.S. reactors by 2030. History: two AP1000s completed in Georgia this decade came in nearly $20B over budget and years late, and Westinghouse went bankrupt largely on those overruns; it has since simplified the model — construction left to others, revenue from licensing the design and services, currently earned off overseas reactors. Government angle: a preliminary U.S.–Japan deal to finance up to $80B of new reactors remains in limbo, so the U.S. stake (20% of cash distributions above $17.5B, or warrants up to 20% of the stock on an IPO) is up in the air; $17.5B of U.S. loans offered to equipment buyers.
Westinghouse designed the AP1000, the biggest and most advanced nuclear reactor America currently has on offer, and it just said it intends to sell shares to the public. What makes this different from every other nuclear listing of the past two years is simple: Westinghouse actually earns money. A whole crop of reactor start-ups have been awarded multibillion-dollar valuations while having no approved design and essentially no sales — Westinghouse has both, so Barron's argues its offering could be worth tens of billions.
The business it would list is not the one that went bankrupt. Building nuclear plants is where fortunes get destroyed: the two AP1000s finished in Georgia ran nearly $20 billion over budget and years late, and those overruns bankrupted Westinghouse. Since then it has stepped back from construction entirely — other firms take on the job of pouring the concrete and eating the delays, while Westinghouse collects fees for licensing its design and servicing reactors. That's a much steadier, lower-risk way to earn from nuclear, and it's earning that way today off reactors overseas, since no new U.S. units are actually under construction yet.
The upside case rests on the pipeline and Washington. Westinghouse says it will break ground on 10 U.S. reactors by 2030, and the government is pushing hard — $17.5 billion of loans on offer to help utilities buy Westinghouse equipment, plus a preliminary deal for Japan to finance up to $80 billion of new Westinghouse reactors. The catch is that the Japan agreement is stuck, which also leaves unresolved what the U.S. government would take in return: either a cut of cash distributions above $17.5 billion, or warrants that could amount to a fifth of the company's stock if it lists. So a real, profitable, growing business — but with a bankruptcy in its recent past, a domestic order book that hasn't started, and a government stake of unknown size hanging over the shares.
In short: The forward picture "firmed": AP1000 pipeline up to 91 potential reactors / ~105 GW, the DOE's conditional $17.5bn for long-lead items on up to 10 reactors, and a Commerce partnership vesting a government participation interest at $80bn+ of US reactor investment before 2029. A confidential draft Form S-1 for a proposed IPO is now filed — no share count or range, so "there is no valuation to point at and I am not going to invent one" — but Mart's preference is explicit: "I would rather have Westinghouse stay on Cameco's book," as one nuclear-power-and-fuel-cycle giant commanding a higher multiple.
Westinghouse is privately held — Cameco owns 49% and Brookfield the rest — and it is where the "new reactors get built" part of the story sits. Its flagship product is the AP1000, a large reactor design, and its pipeline is now framed as up to 91 potential reactors (~105 gigawatts). But a pipeline is not an order book: 51 of those are still at the earliest "origination" stage, 11 in engineering design, 4 on small early-services contracts, and only a handful have reached the stage where real long-lead equipment gets ordered. The number that would prove the pipeline is converting is the New Plants backlog, which was only $0.8bn at the end of last year against $13.2bn in the existing plant-servicing business — so there is enormous room for it to grow, and Mart's read for the rest of this year is simply patience.
What could accelerate it is government money: the US Department of Energy has made a conditional $17.5bn financing commitment covering the expensive long-lead components for up to 10 reactors, and a Department of Commerce arrangement gives the government a participation interest if it puts at least $80bn into US reactor projects before 2029. "Conditional" is the operative word — the thing to watch is those commitments turning into signed financing documents and the DOE naming which utilities receive the money, expected through the second half.
The news in this quarter is that Westinghouse has quietly filed a draft registration statement (a Form S-1) with the SEC for a possible stock-market listing of its own. It is confidential, with no share count or price range set, so nobody can put a number on it — and Mart deliberately refuses to invent one. His view is contrarian to the usual "unlock the value" reflex: he would rather Westinghouse stayed inside Cameco, because a single company that both mines the fuel and builds the reactors should be worth a higher multiple than the two pieces separately. He also notes the terms only get interesting at scale — the government stake and the right to force a listing kick in if a Westinghouse IPO is valued at $30bn or more before 2029.
Also on the roadmap is the AP300, a smaller version of the AP1000 for customers who cannot take a full-size reactor — same technology, same safety design, same regulatory approvals, and about 80% of the same supply chain, which is why it does not need a new industrial base built from scratch. More than 30 units are in early origination, with the first one running in the mid-to-late 2030s. As Mart repeats throughout: none of this is 2026 cash flow — it is why the stake is valued the way it is, not what it earns today.
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In short: The call's headline: a confidential draft Form S-1 filed with the SEC for a proposed IPO, framed by management as establishing "a distinct, visible valuation for Westinghouse as a standalone, pure-play global nuclear technology giant independent of Cameco's mining-centric multiples" and giving it direct capital-markets access to fund its own growth cycle rather than leaning on the parent. Share count, pricing and timing are undisclosed. The pipeline is 91 identified AP1000 opportunities plus the DOE's conditional $17.5bn for long-lead components on up to 10 reactors, on top of a recurring base business in fuel assemblies, engineering and outage services, with AP300 SMRs and eVinci microreactors advancing in parallel. Huhn's caveat: "none of the AP1000 or AP300 growth story… will result in 2026 cash flow."
Westinghouse is privately held — Cameco owns 49%, Brookfield 51% — and it is the part of the story that builds and services reactors rather than digging up fuel. Its steady business is unglamorous and reliable: making fuel assemblies, providing engineering, and running maintenance outages for the existing global reactor fleet. That produces recurring cash regardless of whether a single new reactor gets built.
The growth story is the AP1000, its large reactor design, with 91 identified opportunities worldwide. The US government is now underwriting the hardest part: the DOE has conditionally committed $17.5bn specifically for "long-lead" components — the giant forgings, pressure vessels and turbines that take years to manufacture and have to be ordered long before a project is certain. Alongside it are two smaller designs, the AP300 (a scaled-down AP1000) and eVinci (a microreactor).
The event this quarter is the confidential S-1 filing for a possible IPO. Management's case is that inside Cameco, Westinghouse gets valued as an appendage of a mining company; listed separately, the market would price it as a nuclear technology business, which typically commands a higher multiple. And a listed Westinghouse could fund its own expansion by selling shares or debt to the public instead of drawing on its two owners' balance sheets. Because the filing is confidential and the details unset, nobody can attach a number to it yet.
The discipline to keep, in Huhn's framing: all of this is optionality with a long fuse. None of the 91 opportunities, the DOE money or the smaller reactor designs turns into 2026 cash flow — but the market is clearly already pricing some of it into Cameco's shares.
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In short: The AP1000 reactor OEM Smith sees as the only durable large-scale-nuclear answer (~2033-34); held privately 49% Cameco / 51% Brookfield and "deeply undervalued within Cameco today"; expected to come public.
Westinghouse makes the AP1000, the large commercial nuclear reactor at the center of Smith's "only durable solution" for the late-decade power shortage. It isn't separately listed — it's owned 49% by Cameco and 51% by Brookfield — so investors get exposure through those two.
His view: it's "deeply undervalued" inside Cameco today, and because SMRs (small modular reactors) are still mostly science experiments, the proven AP1000 — which needs to come online around 2033-34 — is where serious money should go. He expects it may eventually come public.
32:57Two companies most levered to that would be Cameco which owns 49%, Brookfield 51%. You'll probably find that the US government I think agrees with what I'm describing. They seem to really be lining up and trying to facilitate commitments and early procurement which will derisk some of the supply chain which will help put timelines on this. When the Westinghouse comes public and it's deeply undervalued within Cameco today. So that's an interesting one.
In short: Named as the supplier behind the large-reactor build-out the DOE is now financing: $17.5 bn of loans directed to utilities for long-lead-time items, "let's call it the AP1000s from Westinghouse," with seven US utilities applying across five twin-reactor sites. Cited as evidence that the growth isn't only small modular reactors — Florida, Virginia and New York "don't need 100 MW, they need 1,000 MW."
16:13Just last week, the Department of Energy directed 17.5 billion in loans to utilities to purchase long-lead time items for large reactors. Let's call it the AP1000s from Westinghouse. Seven utilities in the US have applied for those loans on five separate sites with twin reactors. So, we tend to think of the growth is coming from small modular advanced reactors, but there's states like Florida, Virginia, New York that have massive energy demands.
In short: Subject of the Oct-2025 $80B US partnership to build a fleet of AP1000 reactors — owned by Cameco & Brookfield; the policy anchor of the domestic nuclear build-out.
In short: Subject of the $80B US government nuclear-reactor partnership (Oct 2025) — the first large-scale US-backed recommitment to reactor construction in a generation; owned by Cameco and Brookfield.
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