In short: Host's sentiment gauge: down 39% from the January peak at the low, now ~12% off the highs. Brick: people are "a little bit more excited," but his focus is the dislocation between cash-rich producers and the juniors they must buy. No view on the ETF.
37:32ran the numbers just while you were talking. GDXJ was down 41% from its January peak at one point in time. GDX, the big brother, was down 39% itself. But since then, that drawdown, if we just go forward to today's close, we're back, let's call it 15% off of the highs, 12% off of the highs in GDX and GDXJ.
In short: Inside the largest bucket of the stated allocation: "we're probably 15% cash, probably 40% gold and gold miners, 15% to electrical infrastructure equities, probably six 7% Bitcoin… and then the balance in sort of blended large cap equities." No miner-specific argument this time; the bullion inside that 40% is the optionality piece.
GDX holds the shares of gold-mining companies. Their profits move more than the gold price does, because their costs are largely fixed — so a higher gold price flows disproportionately to the bottom line. Gromen folds them into the same 40% "gold and gold miners" bucket as bullion. He gave no miner-specific argument in this discussion; the case is the gold case above, with the extra swing (and extra risk) of owning companies rather than metal.
1:34:42So for us, we've been we've said to clients, we're probably 15% cash, probably 40% gold and gold miners, 15% to electrical infrastructure equities, probably six 7% Bitcoin, five six% Bitcoin, and then the balance in sort of blended large cap equities is how I've broken that down. The cash is the cash and the gold bullion as well is really just about optionality, but especially the cash is about the optionality around the volatility that Darius was talking about as we kind of move forward from here because this
In short: The long leg of the pair: "so long gold versus copper." Stated as valuation, not price forecast: "if you look at the multiple, copper stocks, they're much higher than gold stocks on a price to NAV or on a price to cash flow or PE. The gold stocks generally speaking right now are extremely cheap versus copper stock." He also says most of the fund's net long "comes from gold and oil." How he expresses it matters: "generally, just even for gold, we generally buy companies that have a lot of catalyst… positive catalyst hopefully" — permitting, "new projects, final investment decisions," PEAs — and he hedges the exposure rather than trimming it, shorting more gold after a strong rally and covering on a pullback, "more like to hedge my exposure, not to have too much gold especially after a big move up." The gold shorts are a described type, not a name: "larger companies, no growth, maybe some of them not well managed."
The other half of the pair. Gold miners, on the same valuation measures where copper miners look expensive, are "extremely cheap." That is the whole relative case — he is not forecasting a gold price, he is buying the cheaper of two mining sectors and shorting the dearer one. Most of his fund's net long exposure, he says, comes from gold and oil.
How he owns gold is as important as that he owns it. Rather than the large producers, he buys small companies with a queue of identifiable events ahead of them: a permit due, a preliminary economic assessment due, a final investment decision due. Each of those events, if it goes well, re-rates a small company much more than a good quarter re-rates a large one — and crucially, he can list them in advance, so he knows what he is waiting for.
He also treats gold exposure as something to hedge rather than sell. After a big rally he shorts more gold names; after a pullback he covers. The purpose is to avoid ending up with too much of a good thing after it has already run — "not to have too much gold especially after a big move up" — rather than to bet against the metal. The gold names he shorts are described by type, never named: "larger companies, no growth, maybe some of them not well managed."
10:36We own a little bit of copper stock, but we also short some copper stocks. And if you look at the multiple copper stocks, they're much higher than gold stocks on a price to NAV or on a price to cash flow or PE. The gold stocks generally speaking right now are extremely cheap versus copper stock. So yeah, I agree with you.
In short: Miner ETFs rose 150%+ in leg one and are still up 100%+ year on year; "next year they'll go up another 100%," then double again in leg three — a seven-bagger from the start, 300% from here in ~2 years. "I think GDX will basically do that." Base case only if gold and silver rise.
An ETF is a single fund that holds a basket of companies — here, the big gold miners. Miners are "leveraged" to gold: their costs are mostly fixed, so each extra dollar of gold price falls largely to profit, and their shares move more than the metal. He expects miner funds to double again next year and once more after that, roughly quadrupling from here in about two years — but only if gold and silver keep rising.
31:14And I think those are conservative numbers. I think GDX will basically do that and SILJ should outperform that. And so if you would have been in at the beginning, you would have got a seven-bagger. And that's kind of the base. So the base is, you know, we double, we've already doubled once, we double again, we double again, we get 700% return.
In short: A core "hub" holding and the vehicle he recommends generalists start with. "GDX, we called a bottom on it at 70 bucks. We were pretty darn close. And now it's at 97 or 98 as we record this" — up over 150% in 2025. His argument for the ETF over single names: "if you just own Newmont versus Barrick, you're going to have two different experiences. But if you own GDX, you own a number of companies, dozens of them, and you're playing a directional move in gold miners." Down ~40% March 1 to August 1 alongside the HUI, which is what he was buying into.
GDX is a basket fund holding the world's biggest gold-mining companies — buy one share and you own dozens of miners in proportion to their size, with Newmont and Agnico Eagle currently the two largest and Barrick third. Feneck treats it as the anchor of his portfolio rather than a stock pick, because it removes the risk that you happen to pick the one big miner that executes badly: "if you just own Newmont versus Barrick, you're going to have two different experiences."
His actual call is on timing. GDX fell about 40% between March 1 and August 1 as the war and a hawkish new Fed chair drove money out of the sector; he called the bottom at $70 and it trades at 97–98 as they record. That is a specific, checkable claim, and it is the reason he was buying every single week through July and August while his cash fell from 12–14% to 8–10%.
The structural argument underneath: only about 0.1% of the world's investable money sits in this sector. If a rotation out of expensive technology stocks pushes that to 1%, the flow into a small sector is enormous — and the ETF captures it without needing any single company to succeed.
8:53And now it's at 97 or 98 as we record this, right? So you can make money by buying ETFs as core holdings I think as an investor and then sprinkling in juniors around that. We call that a hub and spoke structure. — Okay. On the juniors, August was one of the strongest months this sector has had in decades.
In short: "The higher beta part of the precious metals complex is where the greater opportunity lies." The GDM index trades at a PE of 13 vs the S&P 500's 28, with a 54% gross margin, 56% EBITDA margin, and a sector that is now net cash — "the sector is at its healthiest as I've ever seen it." He runs an active gold-mining fund and is seeing decent inflows.
GDX is a basket of the large gold-mining companies; it tracks the GDM index Stöferle quotes. His case is that this is now where the bigger upside is, because the metal has already run and the miners haven't caught up.
The numbers he cites: the index trades at 13 times earnings while the S&P 500 trades at 28; the gross margin is 54% and the EBITDA margin 56%; and the sector as a whole holds more cash than debt ("net cash") — the healthiest he has seen in his career.
The hidden kicker: mining companies still plan their businesses assuming gold sells for $2,000–2,400 an ounce. Every dollar above that drops almost straight to profit — which is why he calls it "a hidden option on the balance sheets." The catch he is upfront about: miners carry risks gold doesn't (geology, permits, energy costs, bad management), and over the long run since 1971 simply holding the metal beat holding the miners. So this is a trade to time, not a forever holding.
1:14:09If you have a look at some valuation numbers, the PE for the GDM index is 13 now, while the S&P 500 is trading at 28. Price cash flow is significantly better. Price sales — if you have a look at the gross margin of the GDM index, it's 54%. EBITDA margin 56%.
In short: Asked point-blank whether he prefers miners or bullion: "I think that depends on who you are, but for me, I like the miners more. I'm willing to do the work. I'm willing to understand it. I'm willing to take company risk. And as a consequence of that, the leverage return on miners that you get as a consequence of rising gold prices increasing their earnings faster than the increase in the gold price attracts me." Where GDX sits in his framework: "For investors, people who are willing to take company risk and endure more volatility, they probably like the GDX." The offsetting note after a $70→$105 move in three weeks: "If you are someone like me with between 18 and 20% of their portfolio in gold stocks, this might be a time to sell some" — against the fact that North American precious-metals allocation is "still less than 1/2 of 1%," so "most market participants grievously under own gold and gold securities."
GDX holds the large gold-mining companies. Rule's case for owning miners rather than the metal is operating leverage — a jargon term with a simple meaning. A miner's costs are largely fixed: the same diesel, wages and equipment whether gold is $4,000 or $4,700. So when the gold price rises 15%, the extra revenue drops almost entirely into profit, and profits can rise far faster than the metal did. "The leverage return on miners that you get as a consequence of rising gold prices increasing their earnings faster than the increase in the gold price attracts me."
The price of that leverage is company risk — a mine can flood, a grade can come in lower than the drill results implied, a government can change the rules. Rule accepts that trade because he does the work: "I'm willing to do the work. I'm willing to understand it. I'm willing to take company risk." He is explicit that this is not everyone's trade. In his framework GDX is the investor's bucket: people willing to carry single-company risk and more volatility than the metal.
He also gives the sell-side of the argument in the same breath. GDX went from about $70 to $105 in three weeks; someone with 18–20% of their portfolio already in gold stocks "might be a time to sell some." But he sets against that a striking fact — precious metals and their equities are still less than half of one percent of North American savings and investment assets. Most people aren't overweight; they own essentially none.
19:20So, while I fix my Y axis, I'll let you explain whether or not you like the miners more or the bullion more. — I think that depends on who you are, but for me, I like the miners more. I'm willing to do the work. I'm willing to understand it. I'm willing to take company risk. And as a consequence of that, the leverage return on miners that you get as a consequence of rising gold prices increasing their earnings faster than the increase in the gold price attracts me.
In short: Passing mention — the benchmark that makes NEM's extension measurable, not a call. Cited once, as the comparator in the trim argument: "perhaps reflecting its special status, NEM is back at its early 2025 peak whereas the senior gold miner ETF, GDX, remains about 10% below its high." The role is diagnostic — a single name trading back at its own peak while the sector index it belongs to is still 10% below its own is extended relative to the sector driving it, which is what converts "the chart looks parabolic" into a measurable statement. The surrounding sector remark is constructive rather than cautious — "almost all gold miners have all been on fire since 2024, and are again after a nasty correction earlier this year" — but no view, target or action is given on GDX itself in this post; it is rowed Neutral on that basis. (Haymaker's standing position in the ETF is unchanged by this issue.)
In short: Owned, but deliberately subordinate: "I would prefer to own gold bullion. To the miners, I own both — it's probably an 80/20 split, maybe a 75/25 split, bullion to miners." The reason is legislative, not operational — "if gold's going back into the system, there are risks of nationalization of assets… I don't want to be wrong for the right reason." Over the full cycle he thinks bullion beats miners on a risk-adjusted basis.
GDX holds the large gold-mining companies. Gromen owns miners and expects them to do well — but deliberately keeps them the smaller slice, about 20–25% against 75–80% in bullion.
The reason has nothing to do with mining economics. It is that if gold is being pulled back into the monetary system, governments have a history of taking the gold — and a mine is a fixed asset sitting inside a country's borders, while a bar in a private vault is not. "It's a lot easier to grab gold in the ground than to go door to door asking people to take you to their private vault." He isn't predicting miners get nationalised below their share price; he simply doesn't want to be right about gold and still lose, which he calls being "wrong for the right reason." Over a full cycle he thinks bullion wins on a risk-adjusted basis.
50:51To the miners, I own both. It's probably an 80/20 split. Maybe it's a 75/25 split. Bullion to miners and I own it in physical form in private vaults at different locations almost all in the US, a little bit in Switzerland. And the reason is I don't want to be wrong for the right reason.
In short: The second Haymaker-authored line, and an explicitly conditional one: "Here's a chart another great friend of Team Haymaker, Adam Taggart, sent us yesterday, which suggests that any pull-back on GDX, the leading gold miner ETF, should render it an accumulation candidate." Note the precise shape — the instruction is to buy weakness, not strength, which is the same caveat ("a snappy rally of late") applied to a vehicle rather than a name. The valuation case beneath it is Muir's, and it is the strongest statement on miners in this archive: "apart from the depths of the GFC and the apathy of the 2011-13 period, gold stocks have never been this cheap! They are trading at 11x!" — with the standard cyclical objection ("the P/E gets cheap because earnings are headed a lot lower") answered directly: "all of that gold decline is already in the earnings! They have declined with gold. And not only that, analysts were previously slow to raise the price of gold in their models. My guess is that if gold stabilizes here, analysts will raise estimates, and EPS will bottom. And then, once they bottom, all of a sudden, 11x looks cheap!" Muir's own action is the ETF's constituents in aggregate — "I am buying gold, platinum, and a bunch of different gold mining stocks. I think the gold bull market resumed this week." This continues the Jul-26 reading of GDX (record fund outflows as apathy rather than information) and now adds the two things that read was missing: a valuation floor (11× on already-reset EPS) and a price confirmation (the 4000 hold and the $350 short-covering run).
GDX is a single fund that owns the big listed gold-mining companies, so buying it is the simplest way to bet on gold miners as a group rather than picking one and taking the risk that its particular mine floods or its particular mill breaks.
Hay's instruction here is deliberately conditional. A chart from Adam Taggart, he says, "suggests that any pull-back on GDX, the leading gold miner ETF, should render it an accumulation candidate." In plain terms: wait for the price to dip and then buy, rather than chasing it after the run it has just had.
The argument for why the miners are worth accumulating at all belongs to the guest, Kevin Muir, and it is a valuation one. Gold-mining shares trade at about 11 times their earnings, which he says is as cheap as they have ever been outside the 2008 financial crisis and the miserable 2011-13 stretch. The obvious objection to a cheap-looking commodity stock is that the multiple only looks cheap because profits are about to collapse — you are dividing by an earnings number that is about to shrink. Muir's answer is that this has already happened: gold fell, and the miners' earnings fell with it, so the damage is in the numbers now rather than ahead of them. Meanwhile the analysts who build the forecasts were slow to put a higher gold price into their models, so if gold merely stops falling, those forecasts get revised upward, profits stop declining, and a stock trading at 11 times a bottoming profit number is genuinely cheap rather than a trap.
Muir is acting on it — "I am buying gold, platinum, and a bunch of different gold mining stocks" — and adds one discipline worth remembering: if it doesn't work, he sells rather than buying more, because "losers average losers."
In short: His fund-flow chart shows the largest outflow year on record was last year — after "tremendous returns" and "really good profits" — which he reads not as a warning but as "a lot of investor apathy" (the mirror image of the dangerous 2016 inflow spike): "the gold miners and silver miners look pretty interesting." He also sees the sector "starting to emulate the energy industry" on capital discipline after years of being "very poorly run."
GDX holds the large gold-mining companies — a way to own the profits of digging gold up rather than the metal itself. Miners are more volatile than bullion because their profit is the gap between the gold price and their fixed costs, so a modest move in gold swings earnings a lot.
Hay's chart is a contrarian one: last year was the largest year of money leaving these funds on record — even though the miners had a spectacular year and were reporting real profits. Normally you'd expect floods of money chasing that, which is a classic warning sign (as it was in 2016). Getting the opposite tells him there is "a lot of investor apathy," which is what cheap, unloved sectors look like before they work.
He adds a fundamental improvement: mining "has been very poorly run for a long time," but it is starting to copy the energy industry's newfound capital discipline — spending less and returning more instead of splurging every time prices rise. Cheap, profitable, hated and better managed is his preferred combination.
1:21:17I know that there was a lot of enthusiasm for a while, but maybe it's just because the when they go through these declines, people bail on them so quickly. So, the gold miners and silver miners look pretty interesting. Haven't corrected as hard as they have as well. — I am shocked that the largest down year was last year.
In short: The gold-miner benchmark in Incrementum's Active Aurum Signal discussion: the miners "bore the brunt of the correction, their leverage to the metal cutting both ways" — in March gold fell 11.52% while GDX fell 20.78%; the sector has swung from overbought to short-term oversold and Incrementum's desk is "raising cash to buy, not to flee." Polomny's own read is that "it appears the indicator catches most of the moves in the GDX" — he presents the timing tool as interesting, not a buy call, and publishes a critique saying the record is not yet independently verified.
GDX is a basket fund that owns the big gold-mining companies, so it is the standard shorthand for "how are gold miners doing." Miners are a leveraged bet on the metal: because most of their costs are fixed, a move in the gold price shows up roughly doubled in their share prices — which is exactly what happened in the Q2 drawdown Polomny relays here, with gold down 11.52% in March while GDX fell 20.78%. The leverage, as the note puts it, "cuts both ways."
The item is really about a tool, not a trade. Incrementum — the Austrian shop behind the annual In Gold We Trust report — publishes a signal that flips gold-miner exposure between three settings (Offensive, Neutral, Defensive), and it went Defensive before the drop, so the desk sat in cash and is now rebuilding "cautiously and selectively" into what it calls a dislocation rather than a deterioration: the miners still have their best balance sheets in years and record margins, but trade well below what that would justify.
Polomny's stance is deliberately non-committal. He calls the signal "interesting and useful," notes it "catches most of the moves in the GDX," and then does something worth copying — he had the claimed track record independently torn apart and published the result, which says the numbers are internally consistent and economically plausible but not yet verified alpha, and lists exactly what evidence would settle it. So: a tool he is watching and a sector he still regards as structurally cheap, not a buy recommendation on the ETF.
In short: Added 5 bps to the VanEck Gold Miners ETF — a small add to the gold-miner ETF sleeve alongside the spot-gold add.
In short: Baruch bought more of the miners: July gold seasonality picking up, a constructive chart, and his key catalyst — Warsh's "misunderstood" hawkishness (30% July-hike / 50% year-end odds priced) getting "incrementally walked back… into the midterms." Harrington's counter is on gold itself: "too speculative… not an investment."
GDX is a basket of gold-mining stocks. Bill Baruch bought more after gold's worst quarter since 2013, for two reasons: gold tends to do well seasonally in July, and — his bigger bet — he thinks the Fed under Kevin Warsh only sounds hawkish (markets price a 30% chance of a July rate hike, 50% by year-end). Baruch expects that tough talk to be "walked back" to boost the economy and stock market ahead of the midterm elections, which would be bullish for gold.
Jenny Harrington flatly disagrees on gold itself — she says there's no way to value it and "it's not an investment," just a bet on other people's behavior. So this is a split-desk call: bullish from the buyer, dismissive from the fundamental investor.
In short: The gold/oil ratio (a "Texas hedge" proxy for miner profitability) has gone from 6x to 60x over ~18 years, yet the market prices gold miners as if it mean-reverts back toward 6–10x. He thinks missiles/drones + fiscal dominance send the ratio higher, not lower — so miners are mispriced to the upside.
GDX is a basket of gold-mining company stocks — instead of owning gold, you own the businesses that dig it up, which tend to swing much harder than the metal itself (their profits are leveraged to the gold price). Gromen watches a simple gauge: the "gold-to-oil ratio," roughly how many barrels of oil an ounce of gold buys. Because energy is a miner's biggest cost, a high ratio (expensive gold, cheap oil) is a rough shorthand for fat mining profits.
That ratio has climbed roughly tenfold over the last 18 years, yet — he argues — the stock market still prices gold miners as if it will fall back to where it started. He thinks the opposite: the same forces (fiscal dominance, a fading US ability to enforce the dollar) push the ratio higher. If he's right, miners are cheap relative to the profits they're about to earn — a mispricing to the upside.
3:39gold to oil ratio higher is positive for gold miners. Gold to oil ratio is just a proxy, Texas hedge proxy if you will for gold miner profitability. And yet the markets are trading gold miners as if markets do not believe the gold to oil ratio which has gone from 6x to 60x over the last what say from 2010 2008 through 2026 so call it 18 years up 10x markets do not are trading the gold miners as if the gold oil ratio is going back to 68 10x I don't think it's going to because missiles, drones, and fiscal dominance suggests
In short: Added gold-miner exposure (with SIL) alongside spot-gold ETFs as the team turned constructive post-FOMC on the ~25%-from-highs selloff and record-high bearish positioning.
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In short: Exited in Q1, now in his trade alerts buying gold miners back in thirds and quarters into the hot-money flush — "be very careful on entry," looking to add on further weakness ("only monkeys pick bottoms").
GDX is a basket of gold-mining stocks. His trade-alert service exited it in the first quarter near the highs and is now buying back — but deliberately slowly, in thirds and quarters, because the Hormuz crisis isn't over and the miners could still fall further. The discipline: "only monkeys pick bottoms," so his capitulation model tells him when the weak hands have been flushed and he scales in on each leg down rather than calling the low.
23:16We did a nice exit from the first quarter in the gold in the GDX. But as you can see here in chart number six, you have to be very careful on entry. But net net I do like buying gold miners like AGO down 40%. Okay. Now are they going to drop 50%? Possibly. But if you look back to 2021-22 when we had that big inflation shock front-end treasuries went up a lot in yield and I know for people listening to us right now over time gold's a great inflation hedge but let's make something very clear when front-end yields on T bills go up a lot it sucks money out of
In short: Bought it in recent trade alerts — gold-miner sentiment washed out from the Jan highs (gold ~5,600) to "historic lows": a "screaming buy."
GDX is a fund of gold-mining companies. He's been buying it because sentiment toward gold miners has swung from euphoric highs in January (when gold was near $5,600) all the way to "historic lows."
He calls it a "screaming buy." The setup: when the U.S. sent forces toward the Persian Gulf, fears flipped from rate cuts to rate hikes, which scared off the casual "tourist" buyers and crushed the miners — even though the underlying gold business is still very profitable. Buying when the weak hands have been flushed out and the fundamentals are intact is his classic contrarian move.
28:05This is going to create increasing recession risk. The Fed's going to basically be forced to cut into sticky inflation. Screaming buy for the gold and silver miners for gold and silver. And trade alerts in the last several weeks. We bought the GDX and we bought the SLV. We started getting back into some of the positions that we lightened in January, February. Wonderful.
In short: Sold in January (8:1 silver call skew), now buying back into the drawdown toward the 100-DMA — a new-bull-market dip.
GDX is a fund of gold-mining companies. He sold it in January when the market got frothy (traders were buying eight times as many bullish silver bets as bearish ones — a sign of crowd euphoria).
Now, after a sharp pullback toward the "100-day moving average" (a common gauge of the medium-term trend), he's buying back. His rule: in a young bull market, dips toward that line are good entry points. He still sees gold as under-owned — only ~1.25% of household wealth versus ~3% in the 1980s.
26:34We started buying it back in this pullback. And we actually bought some for the first time — we bought some Bitcoin. — Whoa, okay, wait. Time out. The first time ever buying Bitcoin. — First time ever. Talk to me about that. — Couple things. The thinking around that is the Bitcoin-to-gold ratio was 38, in the high 30s, and it recently hit 13.
In short: A year ago "you couldn't give these things away"; then the miners "went just ballistic" — even as a bull he never imagined the violence. Lesson: never short these rotations; they go farther than you can imagine.
GDX holds the gold-mining companies. A year ago nobody wanted them — the line was "central banks buy gold, not gold miners." Muir was a bull, arguing that with gold rising this fast the miners couldn't help but start gushing profits, which would force the number-crunching funds to buy in. That happened, and the miners went "ballistic" — far more violently than even he imagined.
His takeaway now isn't "buy more" or "sell" — it's a lesson about these rotations: they're a series of mini rolling bubbles, each more violent than the last. If you catch yourself saying a move has gone "too far, too fast," fine, take profits — but never use that feeling as a reason to bet against it, because these moves always run farther than you can imagine.
15:31They couldn't even they couldn't lose money fast enough given how quickly gold was rising. And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, like the gold miners went just ballistic. And even though I was a bull, I never imagined they would be this violent. And I think if I was going to give people advice about one thing, it's that don't underestimate when we get these rotations how violent the moves can be.
In short: Core holding 3–4 years; the whole gold+silver-miner complex was only ~$290B a year ago and ran ~140% on tiny inflows.
GDX is a basket of gold-mining stocks. It's a core holding he's owned for 3–4 years. His key point: the entire gold-and-silver miner group was tiny — about $290 billion a year ago — so when a relatively small amount of money flowed in, the sector rocketed ~140%. Small, cheap sectors move violently when capital finally arrives.
24:45How crazy has gold been this year? $4,300 spot and silver $63. Last time we told you the gold-to-silver ratio was in the high 80s, and that in a commodity bull market it should move to the low 60s, maybe high 50s. Right now we're down to about 68. So it's got a ways to go. We still love silver. We're still long the SIL, still long the GDX in our core portfolio — long for three, four years now. We've taken some down, but I'd rather rotate into some of the natural gas and energy stocks.
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